Posted by nether_regions
on Mon 31 Jan 11, 2:45 PM to Trans_Related_Group's blog.
Further to the wonderfully thought-provoking original post, I wondered if other T-girls have faced the same quandry as myself:
Occasionlly I have been out and about in 'male' mode, I have spotted a stranger dressed in their chosen gender and the look of alarm on their face is heart-wrenching.
I would dearl love to be able to say 'it's ok, you have nothing to fear from me!' but instead I simply lower my eyes and carry on walking.
This post is turning into a question of etiquette, but I wondered what others thoughts might be on the topic?
| 31 Jan 11, 4:52 PM maidmichellepetite UK, 8 yrs |
Depending on the Situation but i do mainly go over and talk.
The idea of being seen and approach even friendly can hurt. I see the word stealth used a lot here recently, you have to judge the situation as is best even not to say anything, which in turn is a hard call. Nice to see a maid Sister here and if i may say a Beautiful one at that. regards, michelle xx
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| 1 Feb 11, 10:55 AM Beldesir UK(LS), 16 mths |
Sorry if this is going off at a slight tangent but here's a little recollection of being sussed... Shortly after I had my op, and whilst still quite nervous of my acceptance, I was approaching the entrance to an office where I'd recently started working, when I realised that I was being avidly stared at by a woman standing prominently at the door. The closer I approached the more intense the scrutiny and uncomfortable it became. When just a few feet apart, she stepped toward me and asked if we hadn't met at ****. I knew the TG venue she mentioned, but we hadn't met. She later admitted that it was just an excuse to meet - for days she'd seen me approaching the block from her office window, and realising that another T-girl was now in the place, decided to 'confront' me. Well, that was many years ago, and ever since she's been the best friend I could ever wish for. So girls, dont assume that every time you get sussed its going to be a hostile reaction. And for my own part, when occasionally I've crossed paths with a t-girl I try to give them a smile that hopefully gives a little reassurance. With time we all develop thick skins, but in the early days when were at our most vulnerable it's good to get the occasional consiliatory smile. Life gets better.
Bel xx | |||
| 1 Feb 11, 11:48 AM Sissy_girl UK(M), 4 yrs |
To go up to a total stranger & ask personal questions ????? If that person was actually not trans[anything] , how insulted they'd be. If I were walking down the street , minding my own business , & a stranger approached me [ as has been suggested ] & starting asking personal questions , i'd tell them to **** off mind their own business If anyone stares at me , how rude , I deliberately & obviously stare back at them . Never seen a goth before or a woman riding a motorbike ? There is no such thing as society/sisterhood , we are all individuals . Cicely by name & sisserly by nature Edited 1 Feb 11, 12:22 PM by Sissy_girl | |||
| 1 Feb 11, 12:37 PM Beldesir UK(LS), 16 mths |
When, in this identity, or previously when trying to be someone I was not, someone approaches me and asks if we have met before, I dont feel offended or theatened. To do so assumes that they have malicious intent, and that is rarely the case. My point was that in the early years of change, we some times expect aggression, and in fact it is rarely there. Whether someone is trans or not is irrelevant to the way I relate to them; I am not an island. I am part of a society and of a sistehood, and some of those sisters gave me a lot of support in getting through the early years. The society that you deny exists has, at last, given me the legal recognition that affords me a little more protection than I had when I started out. When out of ignorance, or pure malice, someone is abusive (very rare these days), I try to remain civil and not lower myself to their level. The last time I used foul language was to a man who drove his car directly at me - he missed, but I regretted lowering myself to his level by my choice of words. We are individuals, but I for one am happy to relate socially with others, and feel part of what most would call society - 'an aggregate of people living together in a more or less organised community'.
Bel XX | |||
| 1 Feb 11, 12:47 PM Sissy_girl UK(M), 4 yrs |
I don't believe it. You're saying it's ok to go upto a total stranger & ask " Are you trans ?" ie. You're saying in a roundabout way " I think you look like a guy dressed up like a woman. Words fail me . Cicely by name & sisserly by nature | |||
| 1 Feb 11, 1:10 PM Beldesir UK(LS), 16 mths |
I have not said any of that at all!!! The person who stopped me at the door didn't ask me if I was trans - she asked if we had met at a venue that I recognised as TS (a particular hotel). I have had strangers ask me if a was TS, and I didn't end up flattening them - I just thought they were socially inept and told them politely that if I was it was none of their business. My philosophy is lead by example.
Bel xx | |||
| 1 Feb 11, 1:46 PM maidmichellepetite UK, 8 yrs |
Just reading the posts by Beldesir and Mistress Amethyst its great to see people conversing in a polite tactful manner and i recommend it. Just judge the Situation in hand. I love being an individual as a person and i love my sisterhood friends. One of my strenghts when serving as a maid is i never like to see people on their own. I have introduced people together for conversation and any newbie will tell you its nice when that happens. Even socialising in the scene i have no problem in getting "Strangers" involved in conversations and am creditted with a couple of relationships too. If i see someone in public and am feeling good with the situation i will politely and tactfully say something nice and short and leave the rest to the reaction. 100% good so far but my failing is the ones i never was brave enought. who knows. The only time i avoided a Trans sister at a club was (even though she looked beautiful) the permanent scowl just read "off limits", so i did, but is n't that why chav/asbo's have pitpulls. Stay friendly i say.
Edited 1 Feb 11, 1:55 PM by maidmichellepetite | |||
| 1 Feb 11, 2:29 PM lis0rp UK(YO), 3 yrs |
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| 2 Feb 11, 7:20 AM Liefsome UK(S), 3 yrs |
Also agreed. I'm pretty friendly looking I hope, but if I'm getting stared at by anyone my first reaction is 'Die in a fire', because staring in just plain fucking rude. Staring just gives off a bad impression, simple as. It's not polite, and it's not friendly, in fact, it's really aggressive. And to be honest, I really hate it when the only reason someone is paying me any attention is because of the transness. So no, I wouldn't advise anyone to engage anyone in public because you've recognised someone as trans, mostly because it would annoy the shit out of me. As for the OP, if 'they' are scared of you, perhaps you could just give a reassuring smile if you can't keep yourself from looking (which is probably being perceived as staring on their part, if they're getting scared of you.) IC's Trans Related Group Edited 2 Feb 11, 7:43 AM by Liefsome | |||
| 3 Feb 11, 5:47 AM Empress_Martine UK(HA), 2 yrs £ |
Walking up charing cross road, last night. I crossed the path of another trans person. She was taller then me and came out of mansion block. She looked at me and I looked at her. We said nothing and parted company and went different ways.The sound of saying nothing can say so much more then "hello". http://empressm7.uboot.com/ Vampire pro/lifestyle ts dom and switch. Age play mummy/aunty/AB ,medical play,domestic, energy and outdoor specialist. "Beyond the government,above the police ." Edited 3 Feb 11, 5:54 AM by Empress_Martine |