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Scottish Govt consultation on banning buying sex (30)

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16 Feb 11, 5:41 PM
MizViolet
UK(G), 6 yrs
Ianneil wrote:
I thought this thread was a wind up..but no tiss true.

I thought the parsimonious Presbyterian puritans that infest labour had bee washed away into the dustbin of history the moment that charisma Browne left office.

Apparently not, I imagine the good lady is sprouting rhetoric about protecting exploited women etc. And as with other abolitionists through the ages will be wilfully blind to the unintended yet predictable consequences of her act.

Prostitution driven underground will happy time for organized crime and as for the protection of the sex worker if attacked while at work can no longer go to the police because they will be admitting to a crime.

But then MSPs have a track record for living in fairy dairy land ever since they built their fairy castle, the Scottish Parliament building, the biggest building project overspend since Nero tried rebuilding Rome......

Well said, do we really need to be returning to the dark ages!!!!!!!

16 Feb 11, 9:26 PM
Asfxea
UK(EH), 6 yrs

Is there actually a risk that this legislation might be passed, or is this just another batshit crazy douchebag politician who shouldn't be dignified with any attention?

17 Feb 11, 10:42 AM
Degenerate*
UK(M), 5 yrs

Asfxea wrote:
Is there actually a risk that this legislation might be passed, or is this just another batshit crazy douchebag politician who shouldn't be dignified with any attention?

Well these were the sort of questions we asked about the banning of 'extreme porn' (which was then made illegal to possess), what with that and some SM still being an imprisonable offence for both top or bottom, involvement in BDSM being a sackable offense, adult establishments being outed and hounded out, and buying sex being already illegal in most of UK, and so on...

a lot of us are past the stage of thinking that just because another discriminatory piece of legislation or rules (against people engaging in harmless adult intimacy) is batshit crazy it won't pass.

Hence the existence of entities like Backlash, Spanner Trust, English Collection of Prostitutes, International Union of Sex Workers, Consenting Adult Action Network and so on. :-(

De

always fight back... never give up!

Vote to repeal the kinky porn ban! http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/282427/
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Edited 17 Feb 11, 10:47 AM by Degenerate

17 Feb 11, 4:09 PM
skyfox
UK(EH), 5 yrs

Asfxea wrote:
Is there actually a risk that this legislation might be passed, or is this just another batshit crazy douchebag politician who shouldn't be dignified with any attention?

It's only batshit crazy if someone says so.

First thing to be warned about is that this was proposed as an amendment, and the Justice Committee said pretty much, "There's too many responses here for this to be an amendment, so let's do a proper consultation."

In other words, the only reason it didn't get passed was because so many people spoke out about it, especially against it.

This consultation is exactly that, a consultation. However, if only people who are in favour of the proposal comment on it, then the consultation appears to be in favour of the legislation, thus justifying further action from the crazy douchebag politician.

After that, we have to rely on other politicians to be the ones to call BS. While the Scottish Parliament does have the fantastically outspoken Margo MacDonald (and probably Patrick Harvie) who is likely to criticise any legislation coming out of this, MSPs tend to offer alternatives rather than try to rally opposition. The effect this has is to split the support, sometimes. Other times it gives fence-sitters a midway option. But in a lot of these instances, there is no midway option -- all are bad.

I'm afraid that silence is consent when it comes to matters like these.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

17 Feb 11, 4:16 PM
skyfox
UK(EH), 5 yrs

Degenerate wrote:
hi skyfox

has a response been sent from CAAN yet? if not are you able to draft somethig for submisison and send via andrea/admin to be checked by one of the supporting writers - undersigned by you as the Scottland rep?

sorry if i am a bit out of loop and this is already done, am mostly out of action work wise except for bits an pieces immediately needed. (see blog for why) De xxx

A response has been sent. It's a fairly long one, with the references listed above. And I've attempted to forward the info onto other people who may or may not have heard of the consultation. One wrote back to say she submitted a response, which is great. Every little bit helps. When you consider that every single individual member of the groups who want this law passed is sending in a one-page poorly written response about poor women victim prostitutes, we're up against a shit storm, cause they only count heads.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

18 Mar 11, 3:40 PM
skyfox
UK(EH), 5 yrs

"Analysis" of the consultation responses has been posted. The responses themselves have not. The bill has been put forward and is supported by some 30-odd MSPs, most of whom appear to be Labour. It is not known how the other parties feel about this, but the proposed bill is due to be discussed in Scottish Parliament once it reconvenes later this year. (Election in May -- is this an issue?)

The "Analysis" can be found here: http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/s3/bills/Membe...

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

18 Mar 11, 3:49 PM
roblxxx
UK(PO), 17 mths

Did banning handguns stop people getting shot? No? So what the hell makes them think this Act will be any different? Will a policeman have to accompany every single person 24/7 just in case they decide to pay for sex?

I'm a bad, bad boy, and I'm going to steal your love.
b-b-b-b-bad to the bone! I make a rich woman beg, and a poor woman steal, An old woman blush, and a young girl squeal!

18 Mar 11, 9:56 PM
Pheonix_Ian
3 yrs
skyfox wrote:
"Analysis" of the consultation responses has been posted. The responses themselves have not. The bill has been put forward and is supported by some 30-odd MSPs, most of whom appear to be Labour. It is not known how the other parties feel about this, but the proposed bill is due to be discussed in Scottish Parliament once it reconvenes later this year. (Election in May -- is this an issue?)

The "Analysis" can be found here: http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/s3/bills/Membe...

Please note just my opinion.

OK, now that's out the way lets be blunt, its biased and its clear who wrote this is anti-prostitution and the mention of the near 6000 people who signed the End Prostitution Now (6,000 out of 5,000,000 Scottish people) and this 'woman' brushing off all anti-Her Bill as worrying over nothing.

However everyone's point is there so that is some redeeming feature. An accusation that by making this law they could be discriminating against the disabled and the loss of tax revenue as all Scottish prostitutes go on the dole show that she's not completely afraid of giving both sides.

If one person reads either of these and agrees with these points as reason to shout down the law then the MSPs may question her motivation.

This is more dangerous; 30-40 Labour MSPs that means a quarter of the Parliament have backed her, possibly without reading the whole document and asking why because she's Labour. However, if this is a Labour idea, why haven't the other 6-16 Labour MSPs backed it?

Edited 18 Mar 11, 10:05 PM by Pheonix_Ian

18 Mar 11, 10:05 PM
Lady_Lancashire
23 mths
£
Everyone has the right to sex. For some that means making a purchase.

The Red Rose Whispers Of Passion (J o'B R)

21 Mar 11, 10:34 AM
mistressjezabel
UK(SW), 3 yrs
£
rubberroy wrote:
It's a great pity the UK can't take a leaf out of some European countries' book, like Holland, Germany, Belgium where such things are legalised, girls are given regular health checks, and by and large keeps the organised crime out of it.

actually they are talking about changing the laws in Holland and Belgium, I have just come back from a trip there and people are really annoyed by their backwards thinking government.

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