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Spot the arseholes ...... (71)

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16 Jan 11, 9:59 PM
DaQuietYin
UK(G), 6 yrs
Attitude_Adjuster wrote:
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So the 'naive' question poser of a question, definitively decides which is the best/most accurate answer which then becomes marked as such permanently for other readers to take as fact? That makes very little sense to me.

I definitely wouldn't call any question poser "naive", perhaps curious would be a better word, but as many wise people have said in the past, the only silly questions are those that aren't asked.

"Best Answer" in the context of this system would relate to a post that answers the question asked by the OP, not necessarily the most accurate answer as you have interpreted. Perhaps that's down to terminologies and maybe we should describe it as a "Mark as Relevant" system to show that the OP considers the post as a relevant reply to their original post.

There are many systems out there that are implemented successfully, and especially on boards that don't limit the number of posts per thread, these systems can be very useful. I wouldn't care to trawl through 1000+ replies to a question in the hope that there's a relevant response in amongst the unnecessary squabbling and bullshit that's evident on a lot of public boards, none more so than here.

DQY

16 Jan 11, 10:07 PM
Attitude_Adjuster
UK(N), 6 yrs

mia wrote:
People need to be called on bad advice and people need to be corrected when they're stating opinion as fact. If it seems like it's happening regularly then i think you have to ask why. Is it really people are that arsed about 'picking on anyone' (i certainly hope not and doubt it) or is it that someone keeps doing it so much that people need to say something otherwise the site would be completely filled full of shite?

The problem here is that the AUP doesn't deal with this situation effectively. Its been going on for really quite some time now, and several members have got to the point where they are borderline breaking the AUP themselves, out of frustration over

- the volume of pointless inane posts

- the fact that incorrect/hearsay information is being presented as fact

and starting point this out more forcefully. In any social situation, IC being no different, there are generally unwritten conventions about behaviour, and people - as a group - tend to react when they are broken, not always constructively. In amongst the humorous, exasperated, and sarcastic responses, there have been restrained sensible ones - thinking of @AshUK and @Admin in particular - but these have been ignored, all the person in question needed to do was ingest those constructive comments, but they have either chosen not to, are sufficiently delusional that they don't accept them, or don't have the capacity to understand whats being said to them.

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16 Jan 11, 10:14 PM
Romola
UK, 7 yrs

As I mentioned before, it's not a bad thing for people to have to use a certain level of intelligence and selection when choosing which advice to take and which to ignore. Spoonfeeding will only extend people's naivety. If someone is posting a bunch of crap, it may be better to ignore it and post better advice yourself. Better still, for anyone with actual, demonstrable knowledge to memo the thread starter/person in need of advice. Arguing with talkative crap spouters leads to thread highjacks and isn't helpful.

It's only a weblog :-)

16 Jan 11, 10:36 PM
Numbers
UK, 3 yrs
Romola wrote:
As I mentioned before, it's not a bad thing for people to have to use a certain level of intelligence and selection when choosing which advice to take and which to ignore. Spoonfeeding will only extend people's naivety. If someone is posting a bunch of crap, it may be better to ignore it and post better advice yourself. Better still, for anyone with actual, demonstrable knowledge to memo the thread starter/person in need of advice. Arguing with talkative crap spouters leads to thread highjacks and isn't helpful.

^^^^^This.

;-)

376, xxx.

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Edited 16 Jan 11, 10:38 PM by Numbers

16 Jan 11, 10:53 PM
Admin
UK, 14 yrs
Romola wrote:
If someone is posting a bunch of crap, it may be better to ignore it and post better advice yourself. Better still, for anyone with actual, demonstrable knowledge to memo the thread starter/person in need of advice.

That second option means the bad advice stands unchallenged on the thread for readers other than the OP to read :(

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Admin

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16 Jan 11, 10:56 PM
Badg1Vo
UK(B), 6 yrs
Romola wrote:
As I mentioned before, it's not a bad thing for people to have to use a certain level of intelligence and selection when choosing which advice to take and which to ignore. Spoonfeeding will only extend people's naivety. If someone is posting a bunch of crap, it may be better to ignore it and post better advice yourself. Better still, for anyone with actual, demonstrable knowledge to memo the thread starter/person in need of advice. Arguing with talkative crap spouters leads to thread highjacks and isn't helpful.

How does the person memo'ing the OP know who else is reading the thread who also needs to be sent that memo?.

Is there a role for the OP to post a summary of the sensible replies memo'ed, and what happens when people disagree with that summary?

Cheers, Badg1.

16 Jan 11, 10:57 PM
Romola
UK, 7 yrs

Well, better to do both probably. The memo just avoids it getting lost in the sea of crap, but I totally see where you're coming from. I do kind of think less prominence will be given to uninformed shite if people just stop engaging with it. It runs the risk of the questioner assuming that there is a genuine schism in opinion and that s/he can't use IC for useful info. If the crap posts are ignored by other users, there are fewer opportunities for flooding and highjacks.

It's only a weblog :-)

16 Jan 11, 11:49 PM
Empress_Martine
UK(HA), 2 yrs
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Badg1Vo wrote:
Romola wrote:
As I mentioned before, it's not a bad thing for people to have to use a certain level of intelligence and selection when choosing which advice to take and which to ignore. Spoonfeeding will only extend people's naivety. If someone is posting a bunch of crap, it may be better to ignore it and post better advice yourself. Better still, for anyone with actual, demonstrable knowledge to memo the thread starter/person in need of advice. Arguing with talkative crap spouters leads to thread highjacks and isn't helpful.

How does the person memo'ing the OP know who else is reading the thread who also needs to be sent that memo?.

Is there a role for the OP to post a summary of the sensible replies memo'ed, and what happens when people disagree with that summary?

Cheers, Badg1.

Then they have the right to free protest. After all we have a democratic system.If they can not disagree with that summary,then you have dictatorship.Not what IC is about.

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17 Jan 11, 12:06 AM
Badg1Vo
UK(B), 6 yrs
Empress_Martine wrote:
Badg1Vo wrote:
Romola wrote:
As I mentioned before, it's not a bad thing for people to have to use a certain level of intelligence and selection when choosing which advice to take and which to ignore. Spoonfeeding will only extend people's naivety. If someone is posting a bunch of crap, it may be better to ignore it and post better advice yourself. Better still, for anyone with actual, demonstrable knowledge to memo the thread starter/person in need of advice. Arguing with talkative crap spouters leads to thread highjacks and isn't helpful.

How does the person memo'ing the OP know who else is reading the thread who also needs to be sent that memo?.

Is there a role for the OP to post a summary of the sensible replies memo'ed, and what happens when people disagree with that summary?

Cheers, Badg1.

Then they have the right to free protest. After all we have a democratic system.If they can not disagree with that summary,then you have dictatorship.Not what IC is about.

IC isn't a democracy. I've never been able to vote on IC, beyond choosing to join, and choosing, if I wish, to leave.

There is a (hopefully benevolent) dictatorship : Admin.

Admin also allow users / group-profiles to be the "mini-dictators" of their own weblogs, allowing editing (censoring if you wish) of posts within their weblog.

None of that makes IC a democracy, and I don't think it pretends to be one.

How can you justify calling it a democratic system, when it exists at the whim of Admin? : (not withstanding that I'm appreciative of what the Admin team have created, and acknowledge the vast amount of work they put it, and am not calling for a revolution to a democracy - the system works very well as it is) - but it still isn't a democracy.

17 Jan 11, 12:28 AM
Ianneil
UK(N), 5 yrs

I think there should be a panel of judges to assess grammar, spilin, technical accuracy and original interpenetration.

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