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26 Dec 10, 3:25 PM
Harvey2234
UK(YO), 2 yrs
J_o_sh wrote:
Christmasknight wrote:
this does seem to be a can off worms subject for some reason

Age is something we all have, we are all either genetically male or female too so events organised according to those criteria rarely raise more than a slightly offended eyebrow, religion is something we choose and race is something only a small section of us may belong to. Religion and race are things that throughout history have been the cause of most wars. It is why I have posted previously to say I believe munches based on religion or race are almost bound to create divides and cause bad feeling.

Sadly after my previous post I received a torrent of personal abuse via memo from one of the event organisers which only goes to prove my point.

J

I agree totally with your comments this is the main problem and their attitude seems to split the community this was the point I was making and the minority attitude has come to the fore.

26 Dec 10, 3:26 PM
perra_diablo
UK, 3 yrs

x_Thunder_x wrote:
perra_diablo wrote:
my dear, I will not dignify this with an answer.

my dear, you have no answer

I certainly have but you are not deserving of one, now go away and stop wasting my time thunder.

26 Dec 10, 3:31 PM
x_Thunder_x
UK(E), 9 yrs


perra_diablo wrote:
x_Thunder_x wrote:
perra_diablo wrote:
my dear, I will not dignify this with an answer.

my dear, you have no answer

I certainly have but you are not deserving of one, now go away and stop wasting my time thunder.

Hands you back your rattle

^Thunder^
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26 Dec 10, 4:41 PM
Iphis_me
UK(E), 4 yrs

Harvey2234 wrote:

I agree totally with your comments this is the main problem and their attitude seems to split the community this was the point I was making and the minority attitude has come to the fore.

Actually most people don't seem to have an issue with non-general munches. I'm over 35 but the fact that there are under-35 munches doesn't worry me. I wouldn't go to a Fem Dom event but it doesn't upset me that they take place. I'm not an anarchist either but I might go to an Anarchist munch because there are some interesting people on the scene who are anarchists - as long as it was clear that friendly non-anarchists were welcome. As indeed friendly/interested non-Jews are welcome at the Jewish munch.

There's room for lots of different types of events, and clearly some people want to have them. I simply don't understand why it's such a massive issue - if you don't like the event just don't go to it.

"The unexamined life is not worth living" - Socrates

26 Dec 10, 5:15 PM
faeryboi
6 yrs
proccie wrote:
Festive_Furball wrote:
I'm sure jewish or christian munches welcome non beleivers with a friendliophile dispositions.

Apart from the under 35's munch, the ladies munch aND MAYBE the odd strap-on party which reflects physical difference I cant beleive the level of hostility.

I'm not a jew, so what? If I fAncied a visit I would, ditto anarchist munch.

Merry christmas to you all.:)

If I remember rightly, the only prerequisite for attending that particular "Strap on party" was that you were a male arsehole...

Carry on...

well bugger me i was planning on going to one of these partys!!!

He got a real pretty mouth aint he!

26 Dec 10, 7:01 PM
Black0rchid
UK, 2 yrs

I'd like to point out that I couldn't make the last JM due to snowfall in December and that @TheMarquise ran the munch in my absence, and she's not Jewish!

Likewise, I can't attend the U35's or the Femdom munches but I have no objection to them running, indeed I think diversity is a good thing, and bringing people together in the community by adding diversity to the munches and including groups who might not otherwise have met is a good thing.

Probably, the only pre-requisite you would need to attend the Jewish munch is that you don't dislike Jewish people, that is the only thing which would exclude you. However, if you don't like Jewish people so do not wish to attend, you've excluded yourself so you can hardly come and complain about it afterwards. After all, it is nobody elses problem who you like or dislike.

I'd attend an anarchist munch, I'd attend a munch for people who were married to anarcho-communists, I'd also attend a munch for people who did Greek & Roman Literature at A'Level. Basically, any munch that offered an added diversity and I might get to meet people I would not otherwise have met, I think is a good thing.

We are not living in a state where one should only attend munches based on geographical location surely, there would be an air of the "iron curtain" around only being allowed to attend munches based on that criteria.

Since specialist munches do not attempt or suggest other munches shouldn't still be running, surely we should appauld anyone who sets up and runs a munch which gives added choice and diversity for the rest of us, after all, if nobody wanted the munch they would not attend, if people are attending, then its in demand.

I don't see the problem others have with more munches being set up. If you really are in the lifestyle 24/7 and have no other interest other than 24/7 bdsm then maybe you should set up a 24/7 bdsm munch! For most people, they have lives which are tapestries filled with many interests and diversities, if you can find common bonds with people based on more than one criteria then, as we have found, you are likely to develop strong bonds and friendships, to imply that is a bad thing would of course be silly.

Admin - You worked very hard over Christmas. Thank you.

:)

Az me shloft mit hint, shtayt men oyf mit flay
If you lie down with the dogs, you get up with the fleas.

Edited 26 Dec 10, 7:05 PM by Black0rchid

26 Dec 10, 9:26 PM
Iphis_me
UK(E), 4 yrs

J_o_sh wrote:
Black0rchid wrote:

I think diversity is a good thing, and bringing people together in the community by adding diversity to the munches and including groups who might not otherwise have met is a good thing.

So you think diversity is a good thing but you set up an exclusive munch?

Apologies, it isn't exclusive as anyone can attend, so , why is it not just a general munch? Am I the only one who really doesn't get it?

It has a "theme" if you like, or a focus. In the same way as the U35 munch doesn't chuck people out the day they hit 35, and in fact over 35s are welcome to come along as long as they behave themselves and respect the fact that the main target group for the munch is the under 35 age-group (that's my understanding anyway, I'm over 35 and have never been). As you've seen on this thread that non-anarchists are welcome at the anarchist munch.

What is wrong with having a munch with a particular focus for people to whom that is relevant? Sure, if you have no interest in Jews, Judaism or Jewish culture (however defined) then the Jewish munch is probably not the place for you. But for those who do, and who want it - why not? Diversity surely means providing people with the space to be different, not insisting that everybody is the same and should do the same things?

(Edited for a typo)

"The unexamined life is not worth living" - Socrates

Edited 26 Dec 10, 9:27 PM by Iphis_me

26 Dec 10, 10:01 PM
perra_diablo
UK, 3 yrs

J_o_sh wrote:
Black0rchid wrote:

I think diversity is a good thing, and bringing people together in the community by adding diversity to the munches and including groups who might not otherwise have met is a good thing.

So you think diversity is a good thing but you set up an exclusive munch?

Apologies, it isn't exclusive as anyone can attend, so , why is it not just a general munch? Am I the only one who really doesn't get it?

Excatly j o s h I do not "get it" either which was my orginal point as to why drag religion into what is basically a non religious persuit.

26 Dec 10, 11:55 PM
CookieMonster
UK, 6 yrs
J_o_sh wrote:
TheMarquise wrote:

You certainly aren't getting it as you are still failing to see that the Jewish Munch isn't based around religion.

As to your other point, religion and BDSM may be entirely separate for you but that isn't the case for everyone.

With respect, to others responses to my post I at no point expressed an opinion as to whether they should take place or not, I simply stated my opinion that they would cause more divide and disharmony than they prevented. I do understand what diversity means and I also understand what the terms segregation and exclusion mean.

But to go back to your point, call it what you like of course but what is the Jewish munch based around if not religion?

Religion, race, history and culture. Or put in a broad term a particular taste, someone else used theme. Would you on the same grounds object to the black femdom society/club black whip? that is an interest or belonging to a race/culture but in broader terms taste?

If you take your argument to its conclusion you would end up objecting to everything. what about players clubs? Unfair on D/s?

I'm sure there are jews who have no interest in it and also gentile jewaphiles.

Its about atracting like minded folk to form a subset of a group, thats what every group on here is about. ditto femdom munches, anarchist munches.

Its down to taste curiosity etc. If theres no group you belong to then why not start one? Or not, you are totally free to choose.

:)

27 Dec 10, 12:20 AM
violet_haze
UK(TN), 2 yrs
Festive_Furball wrote:

Its down to taste curiosity etc. If theres no group you belong to then why not start one? Or not, you are totally free to choose.

No, you are not, not in the real world. sorry, but that just sounds like a thinly veiled way of masking a move toward segregation. just what the hell is happening to kink in this country? instead, why not bloody learn to get on, and accept all people as equal. Stop being like spoilt children, and play together.

kink is kink... munches are for kink people to meet, thats it. that's the connection.

'Anarchist munch', uh?? If you have an interest in that, don't mix it with kink. I like men over six foot, but what, oh what is the point in sharing that with kink??? It's going bonkers, it really is.

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