26 Dec 10, 12:32 AM
Cassius
UK, 3 yrs
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BasicJ wrote:
There is a simple disproof of Gods in but seven logical truths. So long as one is not of the 'nobody can ' prove' that uranus is not made of cheese, brigade.
Step 1: We know that off the eoples who have populated earth only a smaal number are known to us, yet in all cases of cultures or remains we find theism.
Step 2: In all cases the Gods provided a supernatural 'answer, explanation, reasurrance or by prayer sacrifice or other... a method to allow said peoples to believe they had some measure of controlor reduced fear, of that they did not understand nor had control over.
Step 3: As we fiund explanations for these things... volcanoes, tides etc. The gods were discarded... if aprumitive tribe still believes in angry mountains.. we look benignly but recognise it as primitive.
Step 4: Thus we know by observation that humans invent gods fir that they fear or cannot explain or is beyond human comprehension.
The only things that really fit that brief now are the concept of infinity, the origin of the universe and death..... and lo and behold these are exactly what we build our remaining gods about.
Step 5: Religion claims this nanosecond of existance this blink, abd our actions here, the detrrminjng factor for an infi.uty... on both sides. Or is it only after death here? Interesting we have far less belefs about a 'before' that cannot catch us than the legion beliefs for an after death or denial of death.
It is very embarassing tobe a human in these times when we still have the last flickers of such... but ultimaty education will see these gods fall and blind faith in another humans i docrinating teaching... pass.
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Many insurance companies believe in God - they will not insure against His acts.Do devout atheists search out atheist insurance compoanies? Is YOURS an atheist one ? Practise senseless acts of beauty.
Edited 26 Dec 10, 12:34 AM by Cassius
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26 Dec 10, 12:40 AM
Attitude_Adjuster
UK(N), 6 yrs
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Cassius wrote:
Many insurance companies believe in God
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Companies don't have belief systems, they aren't concious entities. Companies, particularly insurance companies, are mechanisms that optimise the acquiring of money, as such locating an excuse not to give it away comes rather naturally  And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!
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26 Dec 10, 12:50 AM
Cassius
UK, 3 yrs
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Attitude_Adjuster wrote:
Cassius wrote:
Many insurance companies believe in God
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Companies don't have belief systems, they aren't concious entities. Companies, particularly insurance companies, are mechanisms that optimise the acquiring of money, as such locating an excuse not to give it away comes rather naturally
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Obviously.But why continue to exploit religion? They could equally say,"inexplicable natural occurrences"....I wonder if the insurance companies used by churches are atheist? Practise senseless acts of beauty.
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26 Dec 10, 12:58 AM
BasicJ
7 yrs
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I believe one would find the insurance companies would define "acts of god" in their ts &cs probably with some prefix along the lines of "figure of speech to describe..."
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26 Dec 10, 1:20 AM
Attitude_Adjuster
UK(N), 6 yrs
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Doghouse_Reilly wrote:
AnEnglishMaster wrote:
Doghouse_Reilly wrote:
The vast majority of people who hold a given religion do so because they were told to when they were very young. If people stopped indoctrinating children with religious fairy stories the whole ridiculous mess would die on its arse.
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This is interesting. Please give the reference for your evidence of the fact you state regarding the vast majority of people having a religion only because they were told to when young.
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Look at Islam. You're an Iranian born in Iran? You're a Muslim.
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http://www.brin.ac.uk/news/wp-content/uploads/20...
http://www.brin.ac.uk/figures/documents/Religion...
Summary:
Of people brought up Anglican, a half remained Anglican, 40% became atheist. In particular only 0.6% became non-Christian religious.
Of people brought up Catholic, 63% remained catholic, 30% became atheist, a mere 1.3% became non-Christian religious.
Of people who were non-Christian religious, 90% remained so, a mere 1.4% became Christian (I think we can assume that they didn't all convert from Islam to Hinduism etc).
Of atheists (which isn't a belief, but I'll include it for completeness) around 10% became religious. Its notable that these converts target religion reflects the national balance, not say, the global balance.
My original assertion from several pages (or was it threads?) ago: People remain as the religion of their upbringing. I was wrong. People remain with the religion of their upbringing or stop being religious.
There is of course some flux between denominations but even that is small (2% of Anglicans who remained religious became catholic, and similar vice versa)
This is overwhelming evidence that people remain predominantly with the religion of their upbringing (or reject religion). It is overwhelming evidence that religion is actually a brainwashing programme on a massive scale, rooted in early childhood exposure.
ETA: Denominational flux is much higher in the US, but then Americans are a consumerist society
And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!
Edited 26 Dec 10, 1:30 AM by Attitude_Adjuster
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26 Dec 10, 1:28 AM
Attitude_Adjuster
UK(N), 6 yrs
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Cassius wrote:
Attitude_Adjuster wrote:
Cassius wrote:
Many insurance companies believe in God
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Companies don't have belief systems, they aren't concious entities. Companies, particularly insurance companies, are mechanisms that optimise the acquiring of money, as such locating an excuse not to give it away comes rather naturally
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Obviously.But why continue to exploit religion? They could equally say,"inexplicable natural occurrences"....I wonder if the insurance companies used by churches are atheist?
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Because those words have been tested in courts, they are known to be safe. Why change them?
And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!
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26 Dec 10, 1:31 AM
sexual_selection_v2
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Arbuthnot wrote:
buttock wrote:
...don't you think that the bible basically is saying "God you strike me as an ass hole, but I'm a man so kick me whilst I'm down.." that's my take and looking at it from a scientific point of view I'm right.
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No, I don't think that. You're not right from any point of view, scientific or otherwise, because the bible just doesn't say that or anything like it. Being a collection of different books by different people at different times it says many different things, sometimes very different things, contradicting each other.
I know of nowhere, however, where the bible says anything even approximately close to your "take". Can you back it up by saying where you took your "take" from? Otherwise, it's not a "take" but a "put" of something that isn't there.
Ah, I get it it. Maybe it's just a typo and you meant to say "toke". Now you're talking!
I say this as an anti-Christian and someone who takes the bible with -to put it mildly- a very large pinch of salt. However, it gets us nowhere to represent it as saying stuff it just doesn't.
The bible doesn't say "cleanliness is next to godliness", either.
Tell you what, here's my take on what the bible says: "Will gentlemen please refrain from throwing cigar butts on the awning." Well, that's as good as your take, anyway.
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Not really mate - look at the book of Job, if that's not a harsh way to treat someone then I don't know what is?? Oh I've just seen someone in my garden eating an apple - I'm going to curse their children and their childrens children, and as for the women folk, they've really got it coming to them, f'ing apple eaters.
The God of the bible is a sadist. And if you don't agree with me I'll flood the earth (but save all the fluffy animals).
Anyway its based on Sumerian text, As for Christ - well you cant get much cooler than him.
Edited 26 Dec 10, 1:33 AM by sexual_selection_v2
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26 Dec 10, 6:17 AM
Empress_Martine
UK(HA), 2 yrs
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yoda_dog wrote:
Empress_Martine wrote:
I belong to the first camp and second, those con artist will get what they deserve and I will never go near Glastonbury.
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What makes you think that your belief system is more factual than anyone else's?
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26 Dec 10, 9:53 AM
Cassius
UK, 3 yrs
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Attitude_Adjuster wrote:
Cassius wrote:
Attitude_Adjuster wrote:
Cassius wrote:
Many insurance companies believe in God
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Companies don't have belief systems, they aren't concious entities. Companies, particularly insurance companies, are mechanisms that optimise the acquiring of money, as such locating an excuse not to give it away comes rather naturally
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Obviously.But why continue to exploit religion? They could equally say,"inexplicable natural occurrences"....I wonder if the insurance companies used by churches are atheist?
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Because those words have been tested in courts, they are known to be safe. Why change them?
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I forgot! The Courts believe in God too. Thanks for reminding me. Practise senseless acts of beauty.
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26 Dec 10, 1:34 PM
Arbuthnot
UK(E), 7 yrs
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camdencouple wrote:
If there is a divine being then organised religion seems akin to a collection of fleas arguing about who owns the dog.
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Ha! Aphorism of the day!
Canes are for clearing drains. Belts are for holding trousers up. A tawse is for...oh alright then.
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