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Who Pays? (95)

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Wed 15 Dec 10, 10:11 AM
Dil_se
19 mths
I can't help myself, this question has been buzzing in my head for quite a while.

I'm talking in a strictly male Dom/female sub relationship.

I read something the other day where the female sub paid for a hotel room for them both to use. This is the part I remember the most :-D. It strikes me as wrong. As a woman I spend a fair bit on looking after myself, I'm not saying a man doesn't spend anything but, unless he's seriously metrosexual, then I don't think it can equate.

So why is the sub paying for a room?

What does that do for the dynamic as well while I'm at it - I think I'd feel he was less of a man if I were going dutch or paying.

For me part of submission is feeling supremely feminine and so that involves the man doing the traditional thing and paying. I don't see it as being paid for my services, they're his to take if I'm his. I also want to be treated as a woman though.

These are my personal thoughts and feelings, I'd like to hear what others think.

15 Dec 10, 10:15 AM
Mistah_Woolf
UK(M), 3 yrs

Everyone will look at this their own way of course. Someone else might look at this as the sub serving/submitting to him and doing it for him.

As I said everyone will look at it slightly differently.

Remember girl, as you walk by,
As you are now, so once was I.
As I am now, so shall you be.
Remember this and follow me.

15 Dec 10, 10:15 AM
sassyslut
US, 21 mths
i can agree with part , the part about the man taking charge and paying, but it is really disturbing that you say that because you spend most of your money in make up ( the only difference between personal care for a man and a woman ) then you should not pay for a hotel room when you go out

i love gentlemanly men who open doors pull chairs etc, but if i have the cash and he doesn't i see no problem paying, given that is not a situation where i am being used for money the same when i go out with a woman lets say a lesbian domme goes with a lesbian sub

or a male sub with a female domme then is ok for the sub to pay or they should split costs?

if a man asks you out he should pay if you ask him out ( specially after the relationship started) you should pay but at the end of the day really who cares who pays if both parts are happy?

but really, really the part about how you spend more money taking care of yourself baffles me

XXX

Dil_se wrote:
Who Pays?

I can't help myself, this question has been buzzing in my head for quite a while.

I'm talking in a strictly male Dom/female sub relationship.

I read something the other day where the female sub paid for a hotel room for them both to use. This is the part I remember the most :-D. It strikes me as wrong. As a woman I spend a fair bit on looking after myself, I'm not saying a man doesn't spend anything but, unless he's seriously metrosexual, then I don't think it can equate.

So why is the sub paying for a room?

What does that do for the dynamic as well while I'm at it - I think I'd feel he was less of a man if I were going dutch or paying.

For me part of submission is feeling supremely feminine and so that involves the man doing the traditional thing and paying. I don't see it as being paid for my services, they're his to take if I'm his. I also want to be treated as a woman though.

These are my personal thoughts and feelings, I'd like to hear what others think.

15 Dec 10, 10:18 AM
TeRRor_TwiN
UK(DL), 20 mths
Dil_se wrote:
Who Pays?

I can't help myself, this question has been buzzing in my head for quite a while.

I'm talking in a strictly male Dom/female sub relationship.

I read something the other day where the female sub paid for a hotel room for them both to use. This is the part I remember the most :-D. It strikes me as wrong. As a woman I spend a fair bit on looking after myself, I'm not saying a man doesn't spend anything but, unless he's seriously metrosexual, then I don't think it can equate.

So why is the sub paying for a room?

What does that do for the dynamic as well while I'm at it - I think I'd feel he was less of a man if I were going dutch or paying.

For me part of submission is feeling supremely feminine and so that involves the man doing the traditional thing and paying. I don't see it as being paid for my services, they're his to take if I'm his. I also want to be treated as a woman though.

These are my personal thoughts and feelings, I'd like to hear what others think.

If the shit fits, wear it. Personally I prefer to put my hand in my pocket more often than not, it's just the way I am.

I get what you mean about the traditional thing, and the little woman waiting quietly and patiently while the chap settles the bill, but I have been treated to meals, drinks and yes, one one occasion a hotel room by a sub and have not felt that the D/s continuum has been affected.

Heaven won't have me & Hell's afraid I'll take over.

15 Dec 10, 10:20 AM
Muzzlehatch
UK(TN), 7 yrs

Having your own dungeon negates a lot of those problems, and I don't ever charge my submissives. :-D

But if you think I'm paying their bus fare... ;)

Owner of The Croppery Dungeon and Breakfast. Organises The St Leonards munch Promotes The Club with no name

15 Dec 10, 10:21 AM
Dil_se
19 mths
What I mean is I spend a lot of money looking good for myself. I spend money on things I wouldn't necessarily buy myself if he likes it. I feel by looking good (which costs) for him then I'm doing my share. By paying for a hotel room on top I'm doing more than my share. No one has limitless funds and I feel men can overlook the outlay a woman makes.

Does that make it clearer I wonder? lol.

Yule_Slut wrote:
but really, really the part about how you spend more money taking care of yourself baffles me

15 Dec 10, 10:22 AM
Dil_se
19 mths
I'm only talking about a long term D/s relationship.

If I'm going out with a male friend and he wants to treat me then fine, usually it's dutch.

TiNseL_TwiN wrote:
Dil_se wrote:
Who Pays?

I can't help myself, this question has been buzzing in my head for quite a while.

I'm talking in a strictly male Dom/female sub relationship.

I read something the other day where the female sub paid for a hotel room for them both to use. This is the part I remember the most :-D. It strikes me as wrong. As a woman I spend a fair bit on looking after myself, I'm not saying a man doesn't spend anything but, unless he's seriously metrosexual, then I don't think it can equate.

So why is the sub paying for a room?

What does that do for the dynamic as well while I'm at it - I think I'd feel he was less of a man if I were going dutch or paying.

For me part of submission is feeling supremely feminine and so that involves the man doing the traditional thing and paying. I don't see it as being paid for my services, they're his to take if I'm his. I also want to be treated as a woman though.

These are my personal thoughts and feelings, I'd like to hear what others think.

If the shit fits, wear it. Personally I prefer to put my hand in my pocket more often than not, it's just the way I am.

I get what you mean about the traditional thing, and the little woman waiting quietly and patiently while the chap settles the bill, but I have been treated to meals, drinks and yes, one one occasion a hotel room by a sub and have not felt that the D/s continuum has been affected.

15 Dec 10, 10:24 AM
TigerVoltage
UK(B), 18 mths

Dil_se wrote:
Who Pays?

Snip

For me part of submission is feeling supremely feminine and so that involves the man doing the traditional thing and paying.

Snip

I can see how being paid for i.e. 'looked after' would be part of submission; however I can't seem to work out how that directly relates to femininity.

The 'tradition' of men paying for women was as much based in the inequality between men and women than the dynamic within the relationship. Therefore, relating being paid for to femininity suggests that you associate the more socially 'forced' situation of inequality to feeling feminine.

Any thoughts?

15 Dec 10, 10:31 AM
sassyslut
US, 21 mths
lol it makes it clear indeed i guess i would jsut have to accept we think differently there :)but i get what you mean and in some ways it does make sense

Dil_se wrote:
What I mean is I spend a lot of money looking good for myself. I spend money on things I wouldn't necessarily buy myself if he likes it. I feel by looking good (which costs) for him then I'm doing my share. By paying for a hotel room on top I'm doing more than my share. No one has limitless funds and I feel men can overlook the outlay a woman makes.

Does that make it clearer I wonder? lol.

Yule_Slut wrote:
but really, really the part about how you spend more money taking care of yourself baffles me

15 Dec 10, 10:32 AM
Dil_se
19 mths
I'm not particularly bothered about where this tradition came from, I don't consider myself anti feminist/equality in the slightest. In fact, apart from one relationship when I was very young, I've always paid half of everything.

Simply, for me, a man paying makes me feel very feminine and I enjoy that feeling very much.

fragmentrhapsody wrote:
Dil_se wrote:
Who Pays?

Snip

For me part of submission is feeling supremely feminine and so that involves the man doing the traditional thing and paying.

Snip

I can see how being paid for i.e. 'looked after' would be part of submission; however I can't seem to work out how that directly relates to femininity.

The 'tradition' of men paying for women was as much based in the inequality between men and women than the dynamic within the relationship. Therefore, relating being paid for to femininity suggests that you associate the more socially 'forced' situation of inequality to feeling feminine.

Any thoughts?

15 Dec 10, 10:36 AM
Interestedinone
UK(DE), 2 yrs
Dil_se wrote:

Simply, for me, a man paying makes me feel very feminine and I enjoy that feeling very much.

And for me thats the important bit, its not whose money it is, that can be sorted at another time, but the sensual aspect of the man paying and then taking his pleasure. Bonny avtar by the way!

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