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| mia |
on Sun 12 Dec 10, 1:24 PM to mia's blog.
I got angry for a bit a few days ago when i heard someone say that some people were calling on Christmas to become a completely secular celebration. Now i have no problem with non-Christians celebrating Christmas, as i do understand that Christmas is more than just a faith commemortation. It has become much bigger than the Christian story of Christ's birth. But to suggest it become secular? I mean, ffs. Look at it's name! Can anyone spot any problem with this secular suggestion at all?? (This suggestion was debated on a BBC call in, so not just presented by one of the red-tops to try to create some sort of nationalist/seudo-Christian sensationalism, btw.)
A lot of my Christmas is about the tree, the presents, the food, the drink, the partying, family, friends, the weather, the TV. I don't think that this takes away from the fact that i also celebrate the birth of Christ at this time and use this time for worship and reflection on my faith. This is not the most important time of the year, in terms of religious significance to me, but it is one of the most important.
So, call this celebration what you want, celebrate and believe, celebrate and worship or just celebrate, or don't celebrate, whatever, but allow me the Christ in my Christmas and allow me without fear that i will Grinch-like come and steal your Christmas tree if i don't see you at midnight mass.
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| 12 Dec 10, 1:39 PM wonderer UK, 5 yrs |
In a way public celebrations of Christmas have become increasingly secularised; e.g. the council decorations; the music played in shops and public places is largely pop songs with secular words rather than carols with any hint of the incarnation. That doesn't bother me particularly so long as Christians are allowed to mark their festival in their on way, both in their own premises and - within reason - in public places. I do think though that the "secular" Christmas is likely to lose its way if it chooses to break off all acknowledgement of the origin and heart of the festival. Peace, goodwill, generosity and present giving, hospitality, but most of all celebrating the incarnation, the Word made flesh, divinity coming into humanity. "Imagination is more important than knowledge" (Albert Einstein) | ||
| 12 Dec 10, 1:53 PM little_belle UK(E), 4 yrs  |
What a fuckin stupid idea. That is all. "It's not easy having a good time. Even smiling makes my face ache." | ||
| 12 Dec 10, 2:10 PM Richtea UK(BN), 2 yrs  |
Well, yes it is, but that is all it is; an idea that was debated on the radio, not something that will ever happen.
"I just love you for that beat, beat, beat, beat, beating." | ||
| 12 Dec 10, 2:27 PM Random_Dan UK(M), 19 mths  |
Unfortunately, the Christian significance of the 25th of December was cobbled together by the Romans. There were pagan festivals that were held on this date long before Pope Julian got his hands on it.
I can understand the suggestion of "de-christianing" the 25th, but to turn it into a secular holiday and ignoring pagan history seems a silly idea, but as it's only an idea, we can all carry on as normal
As a member of the first unified church of the flying spaghetti monster, my "holiday" is the 19th of September, which coincidentally is "Talk like a pirate" day. I wasn't allowed it off at work Edited 12 Dec 10, 2:29 PM by Random_Dan | ||
| 12 Dec 10, 2:46 PM Filth_Wizard UK(RM), 8 yrs |
I'm sorry, what? I was busy stuffing my face into a tin of Quality Street at the time. The call in and have your say pieces often invite the most dimwitted Daily Mail it's-PC-gone-mad-I-tells-ya rants. I image these people sit around shouting about anything they see, only to pause to puke into a bucket labelled "The State of Things In This Day and Age". They're as bad as web forums. Take no notice. Mm. Time for another green triangle. I don't mean this in a bad way, but genetically you are a cul-de-sac. | ||
| 12 Dec 10, 3:36 PM Lord_Gobbimort 6 yrs |
True, yet i have never heard a pagan yet who has said no, stone henge wasnt built by us but an older faith and we just use it. commitment is like ham and eggs. the chicken makes a contribution, the pig makes a commitment. | ||
| 12 Dec 10, 3:50 PM BarbieSlutLoki UK(E), 6 yrs |
Nah Stonehenge was built by Spinal Tap as any fule knows The first rule of Brat Club, we don't talk about Brat Club... | ||
| 12 Dec 10, 3:55 PM mia UK(M), 4 yrs      |
Having just got back from the last of my Christmas shopping just now, Christmas is now renamed; TherearebargainsatBootsbutnowmyarmsachemas. So there. x If i'm wrong at least i don't matter. | ||
| 12 Dec 10, 3:59 PM Lord_Gobbimort 6 yrs |
lol commitment is like ham and eggs. the chicken makes a contribution, the pig makes a commitment. | ||
| 12 Dec 10, 4:17 PM The_TOGmeister UK(BA), 4 yrs  |
You forgot :" It must be true,They wouldn't be able to print it if it wasn't true".
Second childhood? Me? I haven't left the first one yet! |
