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Taken for a ride thread continued.... (6)

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Sat 4 Dec 10, 4:57 PM
Cinnamon_Tart
UK(S), 8 yrs

Captain_Sensible wrote:
SinPar wrote:
Captain_Sensible wrote:
SinPar wrote:
Father_Bastian wrote:
saraxx wrote:
Eh? No we're not.

I actually find that a good Ds relationship is a lot less complex and far more straightforward than a purely vanilla one ((if indeed there is such a thing).

Aaah, glib, subjective generalisations! We'd be fucked without them. Nice one.

Point out to me, then, just how a D/s relationship is different from a vanilla one- aside from the activities conducted in them and the asymmetry of the power distribution? Relationships are relationships and D/s isn't any more or less than any other.

SinPar

The answer is in the first line of your question.
Relationship= I care about you. You care about me. We are together.

Vanilla: We conduct our relationship as partners, each with an equal stake in how things are run and equal power. How this looks may be affected by culture, belief, or some other external factor such as economics, the presence of children, etc.

D/s: We conduct our relationship as partners with an equal stake in the relationship. As adults we have agreed to conduct this relationship in a specific asymmetrical way with a dominant and submissive role as we define them, with the dominant making the decisions. How this looks may be affected by culture, belief, or other external factors such as economics, the presence of children, etc.

Ok, so how is the relationship part different?

Well I think you could write a book on the differences, the bottom line is of course if there is not a difference why bother?

Because....

We *ALL* have different relationships!! ALL GOOD relationships are founded on some pretty simple principles, which I think SinPar illustrated perfectly.

It is just that Ds ones organise interactions in slightly different ways.

The principles are the same, to my mind, for a GOOD relationship.

We do it differently, because we want the differences.

Hole Parity! :-D

4 Dec 10, 5:03 PM
Cinnamon_Tart
UK(S), 8 yrs

Perhonen,

My apologies. Your thread was rather derailed at points by the disagreement between myself and Captain_Sensible. I wanted to carry it on to address the last discussion point between C_S and Sinpar.

But i think this point, about the nature of people/relationships, is fundamental.

Those who think that by virtue of your relationship being Ds, you have some holy grail/achieved aspiration as to how it will look or be, or how you will feel, i say: grow up.

It ain't gonna be magic, or easier or better than a non Ds one. Not if you don't work at it being good, and if you think going Ds, being Ds will do that for you, you will be perrenially disappointed. (Not aimed at you, just i get so fed up of this "Ds is soooo different, so much better" attitude. It really isn't.)

In my opinion. (can you tell i have lots of these? ;))

Hole Parity! :-D

4 Dec 10, 8:04 PM
ClassAct2005
UK(N), 7 yrs
If you are dominant or submissive or gay and you have a relationship which does not match your own sexuality (gay man tries to marry a wife etc) then it won't be a great relationship for you. If you're both vanilla it will be.

I have never sought out a vanilla relationship and I think my marriage ended up like that so for me, because of my own nature, that wouldn't work. However had I been vanilla then matching with someone vanilla could be good.

Once you match ilke with like the relationship will be easier for the couple than the "wrong" relationship for them with someone who doesn't have that sexuality. However if you are just comparing two vanilla or two D/s people or two gay people then their relationships will be no better or worse or easier to operate than the other. The only caveat I'd add I suppose is that if you are D/s then it can make decisiona little easier. I only really feel understood in a D/s relationship. With someone whose dominance matches my submission I don't really need to explain how I am or what I need as dominant men just seem to understand so to that extent it's simpler and if there are disagreements you know who takes the decisions.

Some people of all types are awful to live with and others easy though and I am sure that aspect is the more important than what their sexuality is. Some couples of all kinds thrive on drama, fights, resolution and others not. I like calm. Now you can have either type of relationship in both vanilla and D/s relationships.

4 Dec 10, 8:24 PM
saraxx
UK, 7 yrs
Captain_Sensible wrote:
What your all saying (with massive amounts of text)is that BDSM relationships are complex in a way that vanilla relationships are not......

saraxx wrote:
Eh? No we're not.

I actually find that a good Ds relationship is a lot less complex and far more straightforward than a purely vanilla one ((if indeed there is such a thing).

Captain_Sensible wrote:
So you can pull anybody in off the street and have a D/s relationship with them can you?

That wasn't what I said.

'A woman, without her man, is nothing.
A woman: without her, man is nothing'

Edited 4 Dec 10, 8:25 PM by saraxx

4 Dec 10, 8:30 PM
saraxx
UK, 7 yrs
saraxx wrote:
...I actually find that a good Ds relationship is a lot less complex and far more straightforward than a purely vanilla one ((if indeed there is such a thing).

Father Bastian wrote:

Aaah, glib, subjective generalisations! We'd be fucked without them. Nice one.

How is what I said a generalisation? My observation came from my experience. Thankfully we are all different.

'A woman, without her man, is nothing.
A woman: without her, man is nothing'

5 Dec 10, 12:04 PM
ButterflyInChains
UK(OX), 19 mths
Cinnamon_Tart wrote:
Perhonen,

My apologies. Your thread was rather derailed at points by the disagreement between myself and Captain_Sensible.

No worries, I think it had been quite 'derailed' before that point anyway ;)

5 Dec 10, 12:42 PM
saraxx
UK, 7 yrs
Perhonen wrote:
Cinnamon_Tart wrote:
Perhonen,

My apologies. Your thread was rather derailed at points by the disagreement between myself and Captain_Sensible.

No worries, I think it had been quite 'derailed' before that point anyway ;)

It was a thought provoking post though, and generated some interesting discussion.

'A woman, without her man, is nothing.
A woman: without her, man is nothing'

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