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| TheFalconer |
on Fri 26 Nov 10, 1:30 PM to the MaleDominantCrowd group.
Not really a fully formed thought this, just an idle musing, curious if others agree or see anything here.
Spotted a couple of threads on the boards today about OWK, and Pedestal, and of course as we all know there's no Male Dom equivalents to these kind of events. And it seems to me that part of this is because everyone seems to have a clear idea of what would happen at a Fem Dom event, but if you get a bunch of M/f types together to discuss a possible Male Dom event, it rapidly becomes clear that there are multiple different ideas of what format an event should take, and that these ideas are fundamentally incompatible (e.g. around things like sub dress codes and sub relations to Doms other than their own, or even the simple presence or not of public play).
So why is this? Is it just because there are Fem Dom events, and so our expectations are shaped by the events that exist? Or is Male Dom for some reason more varied than Fem Dom? If the latter, why?
| 27 Nov 10, 10:48 AM Filth_Wizard UK(RM), 8 yrs |
To me, it's a case of if you build it, they will come – rather than MD being more varied. FD events happen and thrust certain types or ideas of it into the scene limelight, perceptions are then moulded by whatever events provides a space for. I suspect that if an MD event was well organised with a definite focus, rather than asking everyone what they wanted, it would be popular – providing the focus wasn't, y'know, recreating the Human Centipede or A Serbian Film. I don't mean this in a bad way, but genetically you are a cul-de-sac. Edited 27 Nov 10, 1:21 PM by Filth_Wizard | ||
| 28 Nov 10, 8:48 PM TheFalconer UK(S), 6 yrs |
You may well be right - but it does seem to invite the question of "why hasn't anyone done this already?" "Morality, like art, means drawing a line someplace." - Oscar Wilde | ||
| 28 Nov 10, 10:20 PM Filth_Wizard UK(RM), 8 yrs |
There was some talk of an MD event a while back in the spring and, last I heard, a venue was being sought. Otherwise, there's not much stopping one, just some time and people pitching in. I don't mean this in a bad way, but genetically you are a cul-de-sac. Edited 28 Nov 10, 11:37 PM by Filth_Wizard | ||
| 6 Dec 10, 1:37 AM Attitude_Adjuster UK(N), 6 yrs |
FemDom has a very well defined media image, with roles defined or depicted by numerous movies, books and so on. That's probably a mixture of the media (and porn) industry being male dominated and also that FemDom is simply the more popular orientation (at least from the male perspective). As soon as you have such iconic roles, people tend to drift into them - its an easy play because there is safety in fitting into a preconceived role - there are no 'surprises' for either party in staying within the accepted norms of what femdom looks like, ie its a normalising effect. Male dominance generally doesn't have a positive media image, and certainly lacks the positive stereotyping, so quite possibly that leads to a wider interpretation of what it is and what its about - and people do there own thing a bit more. And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword! | ||
| 7 Dec 10, 11:44 AM littlenic 5 yrs |
I think it's less about male dom being more varied than femdom, and more about the fact that female submissives tend, on the whole, to only want to defer to their dominant, not all dominants. I've no doubt there are plenty of male subs like that to - they're just not catered for by the well-known femdom events. And there are enough male subs who enjoy protocol with strangers to make the events viable. I've been to Pedestal. I cannot conceive that there are sufficient female submissives out there to make the converse event viable - if that involved having rooms where they can only kneel, where there is such a vibe of generic male superiority, where a good night involves getting to rub a stranger's feet. This sort of protocol-led activity is only really appealing to fem subs in relationships, I think; your average single female sub would probably prefer just a generic club night if they're there to mingle with friends and strangers. Trying to mix the two, which is where the conversation seemed to go when a M/f event was discussed earlier this year, seems a bit doomed to failure, really. | ||
| 7 Dec 10, 2:25 PM Plein_Soleil UK(NP), 2 yrs |
It could be because women tend to be better at talking to each other and co-operating than men - and that trumps whether anyone is dominant or submissive . " Yeah . Well I love my cigar but I take it out once in a while " Groucho Marx | ||
| 7 Dec 10, 5:14 PM TheFalconer UK(S), 6 yrs |
So the problem is that no-one's found/tried the "right" formula for a male dom event then? You could well be right. Indeed, for the reasons you mention, male dom may actually be incompatible with specific events... "Morality, like art, means drawing a line someplace." - Oscar Wilde | ||
| 7 Dec 10, 6:15 PM Fish_Stew UK(M), 2 yrs |
The trouble with sweeping generalisations is that they are sweeping generalisations. Depends on the group of people.
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| 7 Dec 10, 6:25 PM TheFalconer UK(S), 6 yrs |
Even if we were to accept Plein_Soleil's suggestion, it still wouldn't answer the question. After all, fem subs are surely as capable of organising an event as fem dommes, so there's no reason to suggest that a failure of male co-operation would lead to a lack of M/f events. What would be more likely, if this contention were true, is that there would be no gay bars for men, and certainly no M/m fetish events or a sub-culture of M/m BDSM going back to the 70s.
"Morality, like art, means drawing a line someplace." - Oscar Wilde | ||
| 7 Dec 10, 7:20 PM Plein_Soleil UK(NP), 2 yrs |
@Falconer makes a good point on how Gay men have organised themselves effectively . So here's another generalisation . Gay men tend to have better social skills than Straight men . As regards sub women , is it true they don't organise anything ? If it is true I haven't got a clue why that should be so . " Yeah . Well I love my cigar but I take it out once in a while " Groucho Marx |
