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I reiterate my question to Admin: If it turns out that the offense and provocation caused to trans people by banning the word "cis" is greater than that caused to others by allowing it, can we have it back please?

Also wanted to echo the comments by DrTaps:

and anne_marie:

Proccie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

Edited 24 Nov 10, 8:10 PM by Saaaam

I do think that it's unfortunate that as a word, "cis" has been used in a very derogatory fashion by several people, and I'd imagine that this is why some people find it offensive. That's how language can develop, and someone else (apologies, I can't remember who and I'm not searching through the whole previous thread) quoted the development of the word "spastic" as an example of a word describing a particular group of people that had no original negative connotations but became offensive.

The thing is, I *do* find the whole "cisprivilege" thing somewhat offensive. That I'm automatically somehow privileged because I haven't had that particular hiccup to deal with while growing up certainly doesn't mean I haven't had issues of my own: serious, life threatening issues. If we start talking "cisprivilege", we should also talk "nonbullied privilege", "nonraped privilege", "good at school privilege", etc etc etc ad nauseum.

The world is set up to cater more for the majority than the minority, that is true. And pretty much how it is for everyone. Because on some level, everyone is disadvantaged. It is interesting to see how many people get significance from that area, whatever it is, and from feeling like a victim because of it. No, I'm not saying everyone does this, but there *is* a tendency towards it. I'm not saying it's not hard being transgendered-and no, I can't imagine exactly what it's like. But I CAN imagine what it's like to have other non-average issues that affect the way I live my life every day.

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What about heterosexual privilege? Male privilege? White privilege? Surely you can understand that it's possible to have issues, problems, be discriminated against in some ways but not in others?

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Who cares? Honestly. Think about it. Use your imagination. There might be hundreds of reasons that you don't even need to know about (unless specifically interested). And it could have been a much worse name as well. I hadn't even heard the term until I started reading that other thread, but I'm much amused at the fact that anybody can muster the stamina to actually be offended by anything like that in a world such as ours.

So I'm a "cis-man" - meaning that I didn't take any pills or have any injections (well not for THAT reason anyway), nor have any surgical procedures done to me, to be what I am, at the crotch level (although there is a school of thought which claims that it influences your psychology as well). To be honest I find that no more offensive than if people call me "Norwegian" (which foreigners are likely to do) even though when I'm in my home country I'm defined as a "Trond" (it's a tribal thing - but the real point is that we have the winning football team).

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I suppose it's like this. Some time ago, when I was first starting out in the scene, I was having a rather deep conversation with my now estranged husband and came out with "Well, your too Nilla", without even thinking twice. Obviously he asked what that meant and in some way he found that rather negative.

But then 'labels' are all around us every day. We don't like them much sometimes but sometimes it's the only way to 'communicate' an 'understanding' within society.

I'm Bisexual,

I'm Deslexic,

I'm Disabled,

I'm Masochistic,

I'm Owned,

The list goes on.

So unless a non 'cis' person confronts you and says you are a 'cis' then I suppose it can go two ways...

a) How dare they call me a minority in this room,

or

b) ...and your a plebb and laugh it off cause afterall it was a friend outing you to a group of non 'cis' and after all you are comfortable.

So!

Again!

Who would find it offensive....and what does it mean to them?

I think we all get the 'sticks and stones' thing but why 'make it offensive' when others say it is just a 'nick name' to make communication easier?

I hope I've sort of pointed out the yin and yang of this arguement

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I dont care if a couple of trans talk about me as a cis-muppet, but ive yet to hear any gay/ lesbian etc address me as hetro- beyond shamanu's humour about hetties.

Wether cis has scientific grounding is irrelevant, its to do with non-concensual labels being applied by members of one group to another, to their faces.

If I refer to the far northerners as fried mars bar eating sweaties I may or may not cause offense but I would be aware I was at least being obtuse and rude regardless of the humour value. Which is another factor thats lacking in activism a bit.

Edited 24 Nov 10, 8:57 PM by CookieMonster

Because from not-trans comes the implication it's abnormal, and assorted douchebags take that and run with it as an excuse for discrimination. Simples.

Exactly and that is why then we get all the problems that word causes, see I not saying it, which also includes attacks and violence against us.

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Edited 24 Nov 10, 9:31 PM by Empress_Martine