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A Political Agenda? (37)

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24 Nov 10, 8:27 PM
tony999
UK, 5 yrs

Beverley wrote:
How about the right not to have other people get all gung ho in the name of "my" kink?

Yes, taking the piss but not everyone wants to be all up in political arms.

I totally agree with you sister Beverly and move that we form a movement to advance our rights not to be represented by these little Hitlers that seek to round us up into their little groups and then claim to speak for us.

I further move that once our movement is formed that all brothers or sisters or transgendered siblings or indeed those amongst us who can't decide, take to the streets to defend our rights.

Right then Reg, let's elect a spokesperson.

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Edited 24 Nov 10, 8:32 PM by tony999

24 Nov 10, 8:30 PM
Liefsome
UK(S), 3 yrs

tony999 wrote:
Beverley wrote:
How about the right not to have other people get all gung ho in the name of "my" kink?

Yes, taking the piss but not everyone wants to be all up in political arms.

I totally agree with you sister Beverly and move that we form a movement to advance our rights not to be represented by these little Hitlers that seek to round us up into their little groups and then speak for us.

I further move that once our movement is formed that all brothers or sisters or siblings or indeed those amongst us who can't decide, take to the streets to defend our rights.

Right then Reg, let's elect a spokesperson.

There, fixed.

ETA: just to be clear, not that the 'transgendered' don't want to be involved, it's just, my gender would make me a sister.

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Edited 24 Nov 10, 8:31 PM by Liefsome

24 Nov 10, 8:41 PM
Ianneil
UK(N), 5 yrs

Doghouse_Reilly wrote:
bohnanza wrote:
If you go to page 20 of Activism the timespan between the last post in the first thread and the last post in the last thread is 14 days. The first page has a timespan of 43 days. That in itself would indicate people aren't that active in Activism as they used to be.

One of the benefits of economic meltdown, the government hasn't got the time or energy to fuck with us for the time being. It seems to only be when the government isn't juggling catastrophes or plotting wars that we get any peace at all, left to their own devices they start getting ideas about improving moral standards and all that shite. Nobody messing with us makes for a period of relative calm.

With that in mind I think the best bet for us to ensure our civil liberties for the next ten years is to draft a letter to Kim Jong Il telling him that we heard the South Koreans calling him a chicken.

Or as the Chinese say "May you live in interesting times!"

I think there is a lot to what you say. Law enforcing is going to become more cost effective. Police numbers are going to be cut. I do not think miscellaneous pevery has ever made it into the top 10 of average Jo's worries.

I do wonder if lobbying and general attention drawing could end up counter productive in the long term.

Edited 24 Nov 10, 8:45 PM by Ianneil

24 Nov 10, 9:00 PM
SirLashleyS
UK(S), 5 yrs

Re above post. (Law enforcement to become more cost effective). Something like THIS, you mean?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331654/...

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24 Nov 10, 9:19 PM
Empress_Martine
UK(HA), 2 yrs
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bohnanza wrote:
It has nothing to do with people being more active and everything about people jumping on a bandwagon with me too topics, viz the "How do you spot a fake…" threads from last week. Some activism threads are started for reasons other than activism, hey are the "Look at me" threads, the "Woe is me" threads and the "How caring am I" threads.

If you go to page 20 of Activism the timespan between the last post in the first thread and the last post in the last thread is 14 days. The first page has a timespan of 43 days. That in itself would indicate people aren't that active in Activism as they used to be.

I noticed that sudden change, thanks for pointing out. Now some activism,geting this lot in power to properly recognise transgender rights and not pay lip service to it and means proper education in schools so that I see kids who are more respectful and less rude.I can ignore it but it shows ignorance on their part.

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24 Nov 10, 9:23 PM
Liefsome
UK(S), 3 yrs

Empress_Martine wrote:
bohnanza wrote:
It has nothing to do with people being more active and everything about people jumping on a bandwagon with me too topics, viz the "How do you spot a fake…" threads from last week. Some activism threads are started for reasons other than activism, hey are the "Look at me" threads, the "Woe is me" threads and the "How caring am I" threads.

If you go to page 20 of Activism the timespan between the last post in the first thread and the last post in the last thread is 14 days. The first page has a timespan of 43 days. That in itself would indicate people aren't that active in Activism as they used to be.

I noticed that sudden change, thanks for pointing out. Now some activism,geting this lot in power to properly recognise transgender rights and not pay lip service to it and means proper education in schools so that I see kids who are more respectful and less rude.I can ignore it but it shows ignorance on their part.

This is not the place for it, really, there are plenty of other groups on the internet that do transgender rights campaigning far better than anything that could be organised on IC.

Lets stick to BDSM on BDSM boards maybe?

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24 Nov 10, 9:42 PM
Freetocome
UK, 20 mths
Dear Belasarius, It goes with out saying that not all sexual behavior is legal say for example your slave was suspended by her neck and while you were having sex with her you were holding the weight of her body but then in a moment of forgetfulness you let go and her weight broke her neck and killed her,this sexual behavour was not legal at least in the way she was positioned for the act and the resulting death.

A better example is having sex under water and the act took to long and she drowned for lack of air.

What I am saying is that the positions of a slave in the act of sex can endanger her life and death or cause severe injury by that event, as I see it is not legal even if she had consented to it.

So to summarise all sexual behavior is not necessarily legal

25 Nov 10, 12:04 AM
doulos
UK(SW), 7 yrs
What the sexual freedom lobby needs is very similar to what the personal freedom lobby needs in general:

1. Free speech. For information and communicating our desires in as explicit fashion as we want.

2. Freedom of assocation. We can engage in sex acts with whoever we want on any private premises that the owner/manager agrees to, and on whatever grounds we want. This is regardless of whether money changes hands as a result of the activites.

3. Freedom to consent to any sex acts. Reckless and/or harmful activities committed against someone who wasn't properly informed could be subject to sanctions, but are probably best worked out through civil litigation rather than the criminal law.

The main problem, from a maintaining unity perspective, is that anti-discrimination law is essentially incompatible with freedom of association. Anti-discrimination law can be used to punish individuals or private groups for refusing to associate with someone on certain grounds. I think freedom of association trumps rights against discrimination but I realise that is a controversial position.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H. L. Mencken

25 Nov 10, 12:45 AM
Belasarius
UK(M), 8 yrs



Freetocome wrote:
Dear Belasarius, It goes with out saying that not all sexual behavior is legal say for example your slave was suspended by her neck and while you were having sex with her you were holding the weight of her body but then in a moment of forgetfulness you let go and her weight broke her neck and killed her,this sexual behavour was not legal at least in the way she was positioned for the act and the resulting death.

A better example is having sex under water and the act took to long and she drowned for lack of air.

What I am saying is that the positions of a slave in the act of sex can endanger her life and death or cause severe injury by that event, as I see it is not legal even if she had consented to it.

So to summarise all sexual behavior is not necessarily legal

Quite. And if you commit an offence you would not be protected. It would be a law to prevent discrimination on the grounds of sexuality - not to give us carte blanche to damage our playmates.

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25 Nov 10, 2:01 AM
Arbuthnot
UK(E), 7 yrs

Doghouse_Reilly wrote:
One of the benefits of economic meltdown, the government hasn't got the time or energy to fuck with us for the time being. It seems to only be when the government isn't juggling catastrophes or plotting wars that we get any peace at all, left to their own devices they start getting ideas about improving moral standards and all that shite. Nobody messing with us makes for a period of relative calm.

On the contrary, when governments become massively unpopular (due to bailing out bankers or starting illegal wars based on lies, just to take two random examples) they cast around for minorities to demonise and a bit of moral outrage to distract attention. Travellers and squatters seem to be in the gunsights at the moment. We're not safe from a bout of "messing with us", I'm afraid. It just depends which minority perceived to have little political clout the Daily Mail nominates for kicking.

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