Hitler - Frustrated sub (Program on 4oD) (86)

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Yep with you on this. Why would you want to try and understand such a sick fuck?

K x

'I heard she's a bit of a thug' Mister Bear

And I bet there's no real evidence to back it up.

For god sake, where are the programs about Ghandi enjoying watersports? Churchill being a rubber fetishist? Princess Di's *massive* butt plug collection?

I want a documentary on Florence Nightingale saying how the most romantic thing she did in her youth was to put on a strap-on and give her bloke a damn good seeing to.

You don't have to be a Nazi to enjoy kinky sex, and no, I don't think it helps either.

There doesn't seem to be any proof of his sexual interests. The S&M rumours appear to part of a anti-Hitler propagands campaign, as if trying to exterminate a whole race of people wasn't bad enough, let's make him a pervert too!

All that can be proved is that he chose vulnerable, much younger women for girlfriends who all appeared to worship him and all eventually attempted suicide, which should probably tell anyone who isn't yet convinced of his character that he really wasn't a nice guy. What a surprise!

Theres a movie in that !

Subs are like kites - they only fly if you hold the string ...

Nor me. His current groupies zeig heiling in our streets and attacking inncocent people (as in Leicester last weekend) are what concerns me.

Indeed, and why this obsession with Hitler, and the nazis dressed up as "history"? (I don't mean to demean proper historians.)

You might have a point with Florence Nightingale, however. Very scary and unpleasant woman, far from the caring, sympathetic figure of the antihistorical myth. She wasn't a nurse and generally treated nurses like shit. Neither did she go round with a lamp at night. She was a statistician and administrator and deserves credit for two things: the founding of medical statistics and kicking the arses of the British military and political establishment very effectively indeed. They were running scared of her. Quite an achievement for a woman in her day.

Edited 30 Oct 10, 3:41 PM by Arbuthnot

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

What was the point again?

As people, we don't watch mysteries about people who had their toes stubbed, we watch murder mysteries. For a Bond film to have significance the fate of millions of people has to hang in the balance and can we honestly say we'd enjoy the film if the millions weren't at risk? Does that make us all a bit wrong?

Not only does every hero need a villain, but there are no shortage of people who are capable of evil in the world we live in today. We cannot fight this by not talking about it, but by standing up and fighting for what is good and right. If we do not understand what is going on around us what hope do we have? I think understanding what makes people behave in abominable ways is actually of paramount importance to us all, lest history repeat itself.

I've always been fascinated by Hitler and I've always been intrigued by kink. It seems only natural to share a very interesting program with other people who might likewise find it interesting.

If you find talk about Hitler distasteful and think we've learnt the lessons of history (therefore don't need to rehash them or discuss them) then perhaps you should take a look at this:

• Blunkett 'machine-gun prisoners' claim

Or consider things like:

• Shock and awe police tactics
• Guantanamo bay
• Unilateral, non-retaliatory invasion of countries (e.g. Iraq)
• Erosion of civil liberties for the sake of 'security'

If you ask me I think we'd all benefit from a deeper understanding of the more unpleasant parts of history.

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dubya was a sub too?

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