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| 15 Sep 10, 7:54 PM slave_sally UK, 2 yrs  |
begging in my opinion isn't topping from bottom, i thought it was part of what a sub/slave does. she can beg but doesn't mean she will get it! | |
| 15 Sep 10, 7:57 PM MissKimberley_1 NL, 2 yrs £  |
I don't think it's topping from the bottom. How could it be? Unless he has no spine and cannot resist a woman begging him to fuck her, perhaps. But surely he could just say 'no' and not fuck her if he doesn't want to / decides not to. Next UK visit 25-29 November, will be attending Pedestal. | |
| 15 Sep 10, 8:00 PM Mrs_Bastard UK(LN), 2 yrs |
Okay here is where the story truly lies..... He decides he wishes to do sensory deprivation play, so blindfolded, headphones, restrained...however the girl in question has a medical problem with her throat, therefore gags are only ever used for short term, and under strict watch. So although ideal a gag would of been used, it was not. She was taken to a very hightened state of arousal, so much so she couldnt shout, scream etc, merely ask very softly over and over again *to be fucked, please* Her whimpers were ignored and He continued the play He set out to do and enjoy. She enjoyed every single moment, to the stage she sub spaced out not just once but several times. Afterward in a soft conversation about the play, He mentioned that it could be deemed as *trying* to top from the bottom.
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| 15 Sep 10, 8:12 PM MissKimberley_1 NL, 2 yrs £ |
I don't see how it could be deemed / perceived / thought of as topping from the bottom. I honestly don't understand why. But I'm possibly a bit more tolerant of a slutty begging sub. Next UK visit 25-29 November, will be attending Pedestal. | |
| 15 Sep 10, 9:20 PM SirDreadly UK(CF), 5 yrs |
Asking, pleading and begging for something is, for me, a strengthening of the whole idea of D/s. By asking etc, they are solidifying further the precise core element that allows Dominance and submission to exist in the first place. One to lead, one to follow. A demand is something entirely different and has no place in any D/s dynamic I am personally interested in. Sexual availabiltiy of your s-type is, I feel, is a key element to most relationships but is, at the same time, a greatly under-appreciated one. For the male animal, the sensory experience of a female in a heightened state of arousal is a deeply primal one. Andrew Blake captures this extremely well in his film, 'Aroused' The soundtrack wavers between asking and demanding so will have added levels depending on the males inclinations in a D/s sense.
So, a Dom who has intentionally brought his s-type to a level of arousal that causes her to beg for release is right where he wants to be. If she's demanding release, she's not...entirely alone in the blame area.
As ever, my take on it. Regards, Maz. Enjoyer of Niche Pleasures. | |
| 15 Sep 10, 9:38 PM GraemeBD UK(LS), 6 yrs |
If thats topping from the bottom then by saying their safe word is also topping from the bottom, as in the same sense they are directing what they want to happen? As my subbie has just said, most times a female subby begs to be fucked or anyother thing done then they are doing just what Their Dom wants them to do? Therefore not topping from any position, I am inclined to go along with this statement, although now will prob take me longer to get her to beg now lol At times I'd like to break you and drive you to your knees
At times I'd like to break through and hold you endlessly *Dan Hill* | |
| 15 Sep 10, 10:28 PM thegildedlili AU, 3 yrs |
Geez, a poor sub can't do a thing these days without being accused of topping from the bottom! I'd say the dom in question feels insecure if he feels intimidated enough by someone begging to call it topping from the bottom, and it's really his issue if he can't resist her begs when he didn't originally intend to actually fuck her. I used to try and manipulate partners into fucking me when they'd already stated they weren't in the mood/too tired etc, and I pretty much always won, if that was in a D/s context then that would absolutely be topping from the bottom (in terms of the "methods" I used), but begging, no, it seems like the most transparent way of asking for something to me.
"Sometimes what seems like surrender isn't surrender at all. It's about what's going on in our hearts. About seeing clearly the way life is and accepting it and being true to it, whatever the pain, because the pain of not being true to it is far, far greater." ~Nicholas Evans, The Horse Whisperer | |
| 15 Sep 10, 10:37 PM fellatrix UK, 2 yrs |
Surely any dom worth his salt would nip it in the bud if he really thought it was an attempt at topping from the bottom. "I saw that my witticism was unperceived and quietly replaced it in the treasury of my mind." — Flann O'Brien | |
| 15 Sep 10, 10:56 PM Tom_Dom UK(E), 2 yrs |
No way is this topping from the bottom! Simples. | |
| 15 Sep 10, 11:02 PM The_Bastard UK(CM), 3 yrs |
So speaks the voice of experience - i'm so glad you could clear this matter up for us all. The fate of all mankind I fear is in the hands of fools.. |
