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| 4 Sep 10, 11:07 AM Lady_Anna_Bradford UK(BD), 5 yrs    |
Legally it is a brothel. The management could be prosecuted for running a brothel because they are controlling and gaining from the women. They could also been done for soliciting on here. Actively advertising their parties is solicitation. But no, the police won't be interested.
"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness | |
| 4 Sep 10, 12:19 PM FootWorshipPartyUk UK, 2 yrs £ |
There is lots of incorrect information on here.. We were lucky enough to get priceless advice and coaching from someone that was unfortunately arrested on more than one occasion for running a foot fetish related business in NYC, and since he had to spend thousands on lawyers and learned the law about this inside out, we got some excellent advice on the legalities of foot fetish and S&M in the UK. Here is the advice he had to contribute to us… Individuals charged with the crime of Prostitution, Penal Law Section 230.00, have to offer to or actually engage in "sexual conduct" as defined by both statutes and case law. In the Kings County (Brooklyn) Criminal Court case of People. v. Georgia A., 163 Misc.2d 634 (N.Y.City Crim.Ct.,1994), a criminal defense attorney successfully argued before a criminal court judge that his client should be acquitted after the prosecution failed to establish any "sexual conduct" existed in an "S & M" and dominatrix case. In this particular matter the defendant met with an undercover police officer after they arranged for the appointment over the phone (this pre-dated Craig's List and Backpage). The agreement between the two was for an "S & M" experience. Upon meeting, the undercover asked what he would get in exchange for $100 and the defendant informed him that he would receive "S &M" for that fee. Although the money was not exchanged at that time, the defendant changed her outfit. During this time, the undercover observed various videos and other items including whips and toys. At some point the undercover notified the "field team" (a term often used to refer to other officers involved in the investigation and arrest). These officers entered the apartment and arrested the defendant. At trial, the defendant testified that "as the dominatrix, she makes an assessment as to what a customer wants and/or needs and then performs that desire. [The defendant] stressed the fact that there is no sex or sexual conduct like sexual intercourse or physical contact with the person's genitals. [The defendant] further testified that as a dominatrix, she wore a specific costume-black gloves, leather corset, panties and high heels." Moreover, [the defendant] stated that there was no intercourse of any kind, but that a client might be spanked or paddled. In finding that there was no "sexual conduct" the court found that "sado-masochistic acts described by [the defendant]: foot licking, spanking, domination and submission do not appear to fit within the category of sexual conduct referred to in the statute." While each case must be analyzed individually, the case of Georgia A. is a significant one in that it gives insight as to what may not be construed as "sexual conduct." While this decision is from a trial court (not an appellate court), it is an important one and sets forth the position that sado-masochistic acts of footlicking, spanking, domination and submission are not "sexual conduct" within the meaning of the prostitution statute. Since people have been arrested for crimes they didn't even know they were committing as they didn't even know they were illegal, it is important for me to spell it all out as its very hard to find this information. Any contact with your genitals or anus with ANY part of the girl's body or even with any object that is not part of her body such as a dildo is considered 'sexual conduct' in UK. To spell it out further this means aside from the obvious (intercourse, handjobs, blowjobs,etc.) the following acts are also considered sexual conduct: footjobs, strap on play, enemas, cbt, butt plugs, anal play, brown showers, prostate massage and golden showers. Practicing massage without a license is illegal as well and arrests can be made for that. So to sum it up, any assistance in masturbation of the client by the girl whether its by hand, foot, or an object would be illegal. Self masturbation is not illegal. I truly believe if the dungeons and fetish establishments knew every act that is illegal and did not do them, and practiced legal activities only, all this negative attention on the fetish industry would subside. So the first step is education. You have to know exactly what is illegal in the first place. Hopefully this page helps you determine which fetish acts are considered 'sexual' and 'non-sexual' in UK. However, for accurate legal advice you would need to talk to a lawyer as I am not a lawyer and cannot offer any legal advice. All this advice is coming from someone who has never practiced law, I have just been educated by many good lawyers. That is not the same as talking to an actual lawyer. Hope this helps you though! Foot lickers can keep on licking its all good!!!
Your footfriend, Michael | |
| 4 Sep 10, 12:52 PM Lady_Anna_Bradford UK(BD), 5 yrs |
....which is still irrelevant because you don't even have to pay cash or have sex for a premises to be considered a brothel. Fact. BTW, because you obviously don't know, sex acts for cash are not illegal in the UK. They are in the US where prostitution is illegal, hence the effort to divide the activities up (and the culture to have the strapline 'Domination is not Prostitution' on US websites), but in the UK prostitution IS legal. Perfectly legal, so no need, legally, to divide up the activities. Read this link for UK law http://sw5.info/law.htm But this thread isn't about brothels or the vagaries of English law. It's about your parties. How you run your parties is your business and whether you get clients or not is none of our business but my advice is be more honest about what you do ie you charge the models (not Dommes) so that your clients know upfront and aren't disappointed, otherwise you will continue to get threads on here about your parties.
"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness Edited 4 Sep 10, 1:55 PM by Lady_Anna_Bradford | |
| 4 Sep 10, 11:19 PM bazborf UK(E), 21 mths |
Once again, many thanks to all those who have taken the time to post responses here, I really do appreciate it and I hope I can be equally helpful to all of you at some point in the future. Big thanks in particular to TheMarquise for really taking an in-depth look at my possible motivations and requirements, good thought-provoking stuff for me. The whole legal side of it is something that had never even crossed my mind - I have a layman's knowledge of the laws regarding brothels just from reading stuff in the papers, but it had never even occurred to me that it could be applicable here. I imagine the situation in the US may well be different to the interpretation of the law in the UK, but I'm no lawyer and i've never run any kind of establishment, so I think I should keep out of that discussion. To those who have recommended Club Pedestal, I did take a good look at the site, but it just doesn't look like my kind of thing (not yet, anyway). Things like dress-codes are rather off-putting to me at present, so the simplicity of this Foot Worship Party may indeed be what i'm really after at the moment. Foot fetish seems to have a fairly low profile on this site overall, which I found a little surprising - it's obviously not as popular as I thought it was! I did wonder if I was even really on the right site to be discussing it, but I noticed that the event in question is actually one of this site's sponsors, so I guess it's okay. Since it is an event that doesn't really involve domination in the usual sense, I wonder if the Pro-Mistresses board is even really the right place for this thread? It was moved here, so clearly someone thinks it's the right place, and the level of information that the responses have contained would indicate that regular posters certainly have opinions on the subject, so again, I guess it's okay. Anyway, thanks again for all your help - if/when I decide to attend the event, I will certainly post some info here! | |
| 6 Sep 10, 6:17 PM MissKimberley_1 NL, 2 yrs £  |
Just to let you know that to sponsor this site, you don't need to do an awful lot and it doesn't vouch for the quality or reliability of the service or product provided. (please correct me if I'm wrong, Admin) As for foot fetish, it is a specific fetish that many people do enjoy, but usually 'as part of something' rather than a standalone thing. However, plenty of Dommes do enjoy this and you may enjoy other more specific websites more. It depends on what you seek. Next UK visit 25-29 November, will be attending Pedestal. | |
| 10 Sep 10, 10:30 PM MistressCit UK(NR), 2 yrs £ |
When I hold a Pro-Mistress session, I am always totally happy if my client wants nothing but a foot-session (my favourite). And just to prove that us pro-Mistresses are incredibly enthusiastic, I was the editor to the magazine Footsy, along with a lovely man known as Den/Ned, for about a year. And it was great! What a shame it went out of business. Oh well. | |
| 12 Sep 10, 1:44 AM Lady_Alys UK(RG), 6 yrs |
Why not try this: http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/pictures/Lady_A... The fee is to cover costs only. We are ladies involved in the bdsm world, D/s, Femdom and you get taught something useful. Many ladies I'm sure would welcome some proper attention to their tootsies, not just you 'getting off on it'. DoN't WaStE YoUR TiME On A MaN WhO Isn't WiLLiNG tO WasTe ThEiR tImE On You... Edited 12 Sep 10, 1:45 AM by Lady_Alys | |
| 29 Sep 10, 10:19 AM alpharhythm UK(B), 4 yrs |
lol - I was just imagining a foot worship party where non of the women had feet!!
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| 29 Sep 10, 1:45 PM Lady_Lancashire 23 mths £ |
Human Bratz Dolls. Could be a growing market ...... The Red Rose Whispers Of Passion (J o'B R) | |
| 8 Nov 10, 8:31 PM Xrampage UK(PR), 6 yrs |
I couldn't have put it better myself 'foot brothel'! Some people think because there's no intercourse involved it doesn't constitute as a form of in house prostitution! Well, if there's sexual arousal generated by their feet and contact, and the fact the girls are being hired out to clients, it's hardly a school raffle! Personally, I would rather worship feet of a hot blooded and enthusiastic Domme for mutual fulfilment than worshipping a couple of Barbie dolls! I think guys are better off buying a few beers around mate's house, hiring an escort and everyone chipping in! At least there's no travelling expenses and hotel bookings involved! Edited 8 Nov 10, 9:09 PM by Xrampage |
