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| 30 Aug 10, 7:59 AM MaxFaust NO, 23 mths  |
I propose a different angle to the whole concept. What if "mind control" is something contagious? Say it begins in a person - then it spreads to others who come in contact with this "control pattern" (which is like mental software, a way to calm the existential unease that people tend to have). Mind control may sound ominous to some, but I find it attractive. It speaks of a calm attitude. A plan. People who have no mind control are all over the place within their heads, thus succeeding in freaking themselves out - and, ironically, opening up for being mind controlled. Mind control is what distressed and frightened people want. They seek it in sex and drugs and rock'n'roll, but most of all in religion and other extreme programs of ideas. They seek it in the establishing of a predictable economy and a neatly trimmed lawn. Control. We want to own it. I propose we name the self governed form of mind control "discipline" and postulate that a disciplined lifestyle is the antidote to all forms of mind control that's being imposed upon you from "outside". And no I don't mean "behaviour control"; I do mean mind control as in good mental hygiene and brainwash, before neatly arranging the cognitive faculties into a purposeful pattern which at the same time is logically cohesive. Edited 30 Aug 10, 8:01 AM by MaxFaust | ||
| 30 Aug 10, 8:20 AM fellatrix UK, 2 yrs |
I'm sure mind control can be used in Ds. Personally I wouldn't consider the usual sort of behaviour modification to be a form of mind control although I can see an overlap between the two. Perhaps it's a rather more subtle form of mind control, 'mind influence' maybe. What I mean is this: my dom requires me to act in a certain way. He may punish me if I act against his wishes and this can lead to a change in my behaviour. The change in behaviour is my decision but influenced by his treatment of me. I don't see this as him controlling my mind; I still have thoughts about behaving against his wishes but each time I make a conscious decision not to act on those thoughts. Having said that, I feel obliged to confess to him when I've had 'bratty' thoughts and I may be punished for those thoughts. So who knows, maybe over time my thought patterns will change. "I saw that my witticism was unperceived and quietly replaced it in the treasury of my mind." — Flann O'Brien | ||
| 30 Aug 10, 8:46 AM Belasarius UK(M), 8 yrs       |
I am not keen on the idea of mind control being part of my relationship. I like it that I do not persuade. I require. it would feel wrong to me that she did my bidding because I had conditioned her in any way. Her obedience excites me because it comes from her free will whether she is willing to do as I require or not For me, there is more dignity in this simplicity than there would be in modified behaviours created by any process of hidden persuasion (Yes, I appreciate this is not necessarily being put forward by others on this thread). I just want her to do what I want her to do because she wants to do it... My goal - to save women from nature (Dior) | ||
| 30 Aug 10, 8:58 AM ClassAct2005 UK(N), 7 yrs |
When I have felt most submissive to a man I always have felt he's kind of put me into that state - not through dubious practices but because he knows how to make a woman want to do what he says. That's as much about being nice to her and wooing as about being physically stronger and making her. The key to my whole sexuality is a desire to be controlled so it's not an on off thing with a man. Yo might well be doing vanilla activities but you both know he can indeed decide when you both go to bed, when you do XYZ etc and some people as mentioned above will find that appalling and some of us like it most of the time and if we don't like it at a particular time the fact it's imposed is what we want or need. Behaviour modification is indeed a better word for it than mind control although the ideal must be go get the sub to such a state of desire and love of you that her mind is indeed ni a sense controlled but in a good way. Even just taking women to bed causes release of oxytocin which binds them mentally to men anyway so it's not as if any of this is particular controverial. Even cuddling and skin on skin binds people of either sex together for the same hormonal reason. This is why choice of partner is important as you don't want to bind with Mr Nasty who will treat you badly (and I mean bad in a bad way)
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| 30 Aug 10, 8:59 AM Violently UK(B), 12 yrs |
You could equate the same with parents and their children. Are parents who encourage desirable behavior and deter bad behavior exerting mind control? I think there is a fine sort of line between brain washing techniques as part of D/s and simply moulding or guiding someone towards being a 'better' person. I'd agree with some of what's been said before that behavioural influence is a far subtler and not necessarily negative thing. -- A Kervert Pinky | ||
| 30 Aug 10, 9:13 AM fellatrix UK, 2 yrs |
But would you agree that her decision is influenced by your requirements, so to a degree you are influencing her mind? For example, there is a rule in place requiring me to do 'X'. I don't want to do 'X' but I obey the rule and modify my behaviour to comply. I have exercised free will and made a conscious decision to do 'X' but the decision is influenced by his requirement.
"I saw that my witticism was unperceived and quietly replaced it in the treasury of my mind." — Flann O'Brien | ||
| 30 Aug 10, 10:02 AM Belasarius UK(M), 8 yrs |
Yes,'have agree completely. its just that I want it to be plain and open, don't wnt to do anything that seems manipulative or not "in plain sight". My goal - to save women from nature (Dior) | ||
| 30 Aug 10, 10:10 AM ClassAct2005 UK(N), 7 yrs |
Yes, no one wants drugs put in their drink so they obey but probably most people think romantic men who are good at making them feel good are not abusing their position by being flattering rather than spending an evening talking about their model train set. That's where I'd draw a line. But I have felt controlled by dominant men - in fact that's what I'm after so the idea that someone might be skilled in making me want him and bind me to him is not something abhorrent at all. It's just a step up from - man never washes or shaves and wears smelly jeans for a date compared with the one who makes himself look better so you might fall for his charms. | ||
| 30 Aug 10, 10:25 AM SirOpenSource UK(E), 6 yrs   |
The above is D/s in it's true sense. The submissive must be attracted to the Dominants personality and self not what they have devised to trick the mind into doing. As above free will expressed to follow another's needs is most beautiful in a relationship. SOS The Titter group - for when you don't feel too serious. | ||
| 30 Aug 10, 10:33 AM stormywaters PT, 4 yrs |
I am becomming quite a fan of your posts. You use the polemic style so I thought they were rantish at first. My mistake, they have depth and thought. Excellent. Stormywaters seal of approval. It is a nice contrast, the resonances of the expressions mind control and intellelectual discipline. I think you are making it unneccesarily hard for yourself to be understood if you use an expression with as much baggage as mind control to get across a very different kind of idea though. I wonder why you do that? I think in the end though the search for security, for me anyway, is non intellectual; it is emotional rather, finding our emotional self. Which is what I like about this site. There is a freedom to exchange notes about sexuality and love. That is where I would like to find the 'calm' you speak of. Stormy |
