Breathplay...when to stop (63)

Do you not think this is down to the individuals ? I personally think everyone who enjoys breath play knows the risk, and it is normally common practice within the BDSM community and many other people not connected with BDSM at all. Why would people hide their sexuality through breath play ???

Mistressw
Nobody dies from the lack of sex. It's the lack of love we die from. -- Margaret Atwood In lovemaking, as in other arts, those who do it best can not tell how it is done. -- James M. Barrie

How is the scene run? Is it very intense and fast paced and faux "angry" or is it slow, calculated, prolonging the suffering?

Depending on how the scene is going in that respect, you'll probably want to examine two forms of restrictive play...

Breath play and carotid artery play.

The common carotid artery supplies the brain with oxygen and if you press under your jawline you can measure your heart rate. Experiment on your neck to find it. When someone wraps their hands around your throat, particularly from the front, their thumbs dig into the areas where the carotid artery are more exposed, cutting off blood and oxygen supply and very rapidly causing a light headed feeling and loss of consciousness...

They then very quickly return to full conciousness as the blood flow returns after being released and report a "spaced out" feeling. This is a 10 second maximum sort of thing, but you can't judge any breath play by the clock - only on the body language of the sub. By pulling upwards you don't exert too much pressure on the carotid but you do cut off both blood and oxygen flow quite effectively. There are loads of ways to do this - some of which LadyAnna mentioned.

This isn't strictly speaking, breath play, because their breathing typically won't stop. With breath play, you cutting off the supply of air to a persons lungs. With this you are cutting of the supply of oxygenated blood to the persons blood.

Breath play is anything where the oxygen supply is primarily cut off to the lungs. Examples could be facesitting or hand over the mouth and nose - but are relatively easy to get away from if the submissive really wants to - this is important to remember. They allow a submissive to typically last in the region of 1-2 minutes without needing a breath or starting to panic, and then a further 15 seconds of panic before passing out. Beyond that they will need resuscitation and first aid. The light headed feeling isn't experienced in the same way here, but fear is. Other examples which are more effective at stopping the sub getting more air would be head dunking and what you're doing - bagging.

Please don't take these things and just try them, if you're going to do this breathplay, learn from someone who knows what they're doing first hand.

@anweledig is probably the most knowledgeable person I know regarding bagging. You may want to talk to him.

Bagging though... The bigger the bag and the easier the access to air inside, the more difficult this is.

Whereas the hand over the mouth breathplay is 1-2 minutes, bagging can last ten minutes or even hours.

Does the bag have small holes in the bottom? (some do, used in production to hold the bags in a stack).

How big is it? How tight is the seal?

When there is a big bag with little holes in it, the length of time the sub can be in the bag will increase drastically. Watching for signs for all that time is not just difficult to gauge, but also boring!

This isn't just stopping the lungs accessing air - this is slowly reducing the amount of oxygen in the air and increasing the amount of C02 in the overall blood supply. Carbon dioxide poisoning triggers a reflex to encourage breathing to get more oxygen - reflexes like arousal or just turning the head during sleep.

You can tape around the throat just tight enough to hold the bag sealed (a good idea is to double back the very end of the tape onto itself so that there is a "tag" which won't stick down so that it can be torn off easily), or just hold it there yourself. Keep a sharp knife on hand and cut through the bag on a surface beside their head - not over - if there are any troubles.

Try and keep their head upright because this will give you an idea when to stop as you'll see their head wavering.

I've taken subs to unconciousness - not just through these methods, but also through pure fear and through forced orgasming. They come around very confused and weak and need a lot of support. Don't start questioning them about whether they are OK just yet - they're awake. They're OK.

One interesting variation I've thought of, is to put a subs head into a bag with a hose also going into it, then start the bag filling up with water. The position of the sub and the direction the hose filling in relation to the water rising are all important for logistics and effects of course. Same could be achieved in a bath with water flooding into the bag through the imperfect seals/holes.

Kisses to all you fabioso people!
Patrick
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I assume that you are addressing Cooper, yes? Personally I agree with you. I'll save my rant about the com-yoo-nit-eeee for a later date.

yes i was xx

Mistressw
Nobody dies from the lack of sex. It's the lack of love we die from. -- Margaret Atwood In lovemaking, as in other arts, those who do it best can not tell how it is done. -- James M. Barrie

You ask: Should I continue to loss of concious?

Absolutly NO.

Guys this is BDSM play, get real and keep it safe.

Say "absolutely NO" when someone asks "should I continue to loss of life?"

You're right, this is BDSM, but there is no one correct answer and it's up to individuals.

The body is designed to safely lose conciousness before there is any genuine physical danger. It works under the assumption that if the body falls horizontal the heart will find it easier to pump blood to the brain.

There is danger. That's why people have to be risk aware and why you need to know what you're doing before you do these sort of things. Then you can do them safely.

But danger is everywhere - you just need to know how to control it and if you're aware of the risks and that accidents can happen, but take them anyway - that's your choice. Consider how dangerous it is to speed down a concrete path at 70+mph* in a big metal box with flammable liquid in it alongside 100s of other big metal boxes with flammable liquid in them... Then consider how many people do it safely regardless.

*70+mph - assuming it isn't the M25

Kisses to all you fabioso people!
Patrick
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One of the most dangerous posts that I have ever read.