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18 Aug 10, 12:40 PM
SoulPossession
UK(PO), 6 yrs

SirOpenSource wrote:
This is sometimes quite a paradoxical issue as, if we look at the ECHR article 3 there is mention of the right to live in a society free of humiliation or debasement. I wonder how humiliating it is for a vanilla person with low confidence levels to experience someone expressing their kink publicly ?

SOS

Good point and I guess that raises the question; if taking a sissy maid out on a leash in public was acceptable to most people then wouldn't it cease to be humiliating for the sissy? And if it ceases to be humiliating then surely the kink and enjoyment of it is lost.

If humiliation is the aim of the excercise in the links that SuzySmith posted then surely that needs the unconsenting participation of the public (possibly including minors) and that in my book is not acceptable.

18 Aug 10, 1:22 PM
chris09_uk
UK(CW), 3 yrs
If I wanted to do some DIY (the house renovation type !) and use an electric drill at 10 or 11 p.m. ... I could by all means go ahead and do so without much guilt as to whether I'd be disturbing the neighbours.

However, I also have the choice, to wait and do it at more reasonable time the next day.

Neither is right or wrong, but my choice is to be as fair and considerate of others as I can be.

Now, if we are talking about purposefully and deliberately using other's to participate in our activities, do e have that right ? We CAN do as we wish, but does that mean that just because we can, that we should ?

If you are using other's for your own benefit of their reation ... you are doing exaclty that, 'using' them.

18 Aug 10, 2:09 PM
Rhoobarb
UK(FK), 12 yrs
SirOpenSource wrote:

How far should we go with involving members of the public in seemingly minor acts or should their be a total bar?

How minor? Where do you draw the line? How can there be a total bar?

If you ask someone "May I sit here?" it could mean something different to you if you are asking your dominant, rather than an unknown member of the public.

I agree we shouldn't be whipping each other in public, also forcing someone who is not involved to participate in someone else's humiliation could be just as humiliating or embarrassing for the person witnessing it.

I see no reason why someone shouldn't dress as they wish in a public place, so long as they are not breaking the law. If people see a form of dress they're not happy or comfortable with then that's tough on them.

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"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." Soren Kierkegaard

18 Aug 10, 2:21 PM
SirOpenSource
UK(E), 6 yrs


Rhoobarb wrote:
SirOpenSource wrote:

How far should we go with involving members of the public in seemingly minor acts or should their be a total bar?

I see no reason why someone shouldn't dress as they wish in a public place, so long as they are not breaking the law. If people see a form of dress they're not happy or comfortable with then that's tough on them.

Maybe the 'That's tough on them' attitude is what makes cheap trash tabloids think they have the right to headline stories of kinksters just going about their normal activities?

SOS

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18 Aug 10, 2:34 PM
MaxFaust
NO, 23 mths
Rhoobarb wrote:
How minor? Where do you draw the line? How can there be a total bar?

If "kinksters" cannot draw their own lines (and police their own behaviour), in a sensible place, one will be drawn for them by the authorities of society at large. Which is likely to be less liberal than the old one.

18 Aug 10, 2:38 PM
preyforyou1954
24 mths
SuzySmith wrote:
Is that really any different to a tattoo, message on a t-shirt or any other piece of jewlery?

Yes, it is very, very different from a tattoo, message on a t-shirt or piece of jewellery. Stuffing our lifestyle down someone else's throat is wrong, wrong and wrong.

Gary

18 Aug 10, 2:45 PM
Darkmoon
UK, 6 yrs
That little vid is not right personally for me if the main process is to humiliate the said person and its offending upsetting other people you are clearly wishing this by your actions as if others merely did not care the whole process would be rendered useless so your including others for your own gratification not right in my opinion unless they have your consent. Would also think rather unsuitable if minors are around,
18 Aug 10, 2:46 PM
NotTheOne
UK(TA), 2 yrs
The minute anybody walks out the door they consent to the possibility of lots of things they may not like. Of those many possibilities seeing someone being humiliated is pretty damn low on the list of potential harm. It is only implied consent, but anyone who has lived for more than a moment or two has experiences that also make it informed consent.

You all want everyone walking around in the same drab grey overalls, never talking, just trudging along? That is after all the logical conclusion to the argument for those who say we should suppress ourselves in public.

I stared into the abyss, the abyss stared into me. It blinked first.

18 Aug 10, 2:47 PM
lilybee*
UK(TN), 5 yrs

preyforyou1954 wrote:
SuzySmith wrote:
Is that really any different to a tattoo, message on a t-shirt or any other piece of jewlery?

Yes, it is very, very different from a tattoo, message on a t-shirt or piece of jewellery. Stuffing our lifestyle down someone else's throat is wrong, wrong and wrong.

Gary

I'm not too sure that it is that different really. As for stuffing it down someone's throat well what about all the religious jewellery, Crucifixes, St David's etc? They are worn with pride to tell others what they are and what they believe in (and by default, sexual practices laid out by their Bibles/Torahs etc), without us perhaps wanting to know? If someone see's the Ownership tag and are curious they can ask about it but if they aren't interested they could always ignore it. I get more disparagement from wearing my Pagan jewellery than I ever did from my collar and tag.

lily
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18 Aug 10, 2:53 PM
NotTheOne
UK(TA), 2 yrs
preyforyou1954 wrote:
SuzySmith wrote:
Is that really any different to a tattoo, message on a t-shirt or any other piece of jewlery?
Yes, it is very, very different from a tattoo, message on a t-shirt or piece of jewellery. Stuffing our lifestyle down someone else's throat is wrong, wrong and wrong.

I dont see that it is any different at all, and is often a big heap less offensive than a t-shirt.

I think the big issue for many people in this thread who are saying "never" is the equation B+D+S+M=S+E+X Well for some folk, that just isnt true. Try forget the obsession with damp sheets and body fluids. Take those old friends of ours, the goths on a bus, oddly there was an outpouring of support for them. Why is this? Because they are just alternatives doing as they please and nobody mentioned the possible sexual aspects?

Guess what folks, when you go out in the street, 99.9999% of people out there just don't give a shit about you, who you are, what you do, or how you dress. Dress up unconventionally and people may feel uncomfortable, big deal, they may even have something to talk about later before bed and have a good giggle, or perhaps even consider giving it a try themselves.

A little less self-importance, a little less obsession with sex, a little more reality, a lot less double standards and going out would be much nicer for all whether they wear a pvc maids dress and leash, an offensive slogan on a tshirt, or a suit and tie.

I stared into the abyss, the abyss stared into me. It blinked first.

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