18 Aug 10, 4:11 PM PinkFreud UK(G), 21 mths |
Elysium wrote:
I struggle with this one too, at least in public. It's not hard to have pride in your submission within our femdom relationship.
What's harder for me is being submissive in public. Especially femdom events. I'm not there to be submissive to everything that is the owner operator of a vagina. That tacit assumption by folks just rubs me up the wrong way. Being told by women to get off furniture etc. I think male submission comes along with some very, very incorrect assumptions by most. Even those in scene. Those assumptions are what makes it difficult to be submissive in public. as, some treat you as weak. Submission for me should come from a place of strength. It takes a lot of strength to be submissive in a relationship. However, the tacit assumption amongst a lot of people seems to be that it's a weakness.
I'm not the kind of guy that goes around fetishising 'submission' in and of itself for its own sake. I get no kicks from prostrating myself at the feet of strangers, or using them as some kind of fantasy fulfillment vessel. I'm in no way submissive outside of my relationship with my Domme. I like it that way. To be any other way sort of cheapens it for me. Submission isn't a fantasy to be fulfilled. To have the assumption thrust upon you that you're somehow desperate to be submissive, to anyone with a vagina, infuriates me. It's the femdom equivelant of 'kneel bitch'. What infuriates me more is male submissives who actively encourage this behaviour. The whole stereotypical male submission thing reaks of desperation. That's not exactly the most attractive of traits. Desperate male submissives really need to get a clue. It's just sad that there are so many of them.
Male submission has lots of horrible mainstream cultural misconceptions. It has lots of ridiculous stereotypes.
They hurt both men and women. Femdom is *really* broken. I mean, you'd think it'd be the one scene where misogyny is non-existent. Yet, it's everywhere.
Am I proud to call myself a male submissive?
I'm a switch. I'm dominant in some relationships and submissive in others. No one is submissive in everything they do and the same is true of dominance. So, it's not really an identity. It's a way of describing power within a relationship. 'I'm submissive to....(insert name)' or 'I seek to be the submissive partner in relationships' is what I would say. Not 'I am a male submissive. Then again, I am a switch.
It also depends who's listening and what they think I mean. I'm just proud to be me. I'm proud to be submissive to the woman I love. It doesn't mean I want to even identify as a male submissive in public. Male submission and the Femdom world as a whole suffers from mucho bullshit and exploitation from both men and women. I don't want that to be a part of my life. I'd rather build relationships than worry about labelling myself to fit into a scene I think is pretty broken. I've always thought it better to stand out from a crowd than be sublimated by it. My sense of belonging comes from those I love. Not people I probably only tolerate.
PS: I love Bitchy Jones. I wish she'd take up blogging again.
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This is a really good post, found a lot of that rang true with myself.
For some of the reasons you mentioned I decided it would probably be best for me to stay away from the local scene as I have a bit too much of a mouth to be treated by everyone as a 'submissive'. I'm not a submissive person, but I'll gladly submit to one person I feel deserving of it and I would be extremely happy in that role. Outside of her though I have no desire to be told what to do |
18 Aug 10, 4:15 PM Elysium UK(EH), 5 yrs 
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PinkFreud wrote:
This is a really good post, found a lot of that rang true with myself.
For some of the reasons you mentioned I decided it would probably be best for me to stay away from the local scene as I have a bit too much of a mouth to be treated by everyone as a 'submissive'. I'm not a submissive person, but I'll gladly submit to one person I feel deserving of it and I would be extremely happy in that role. Outside of her though I have no desire to be told what to do
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Hey,
don't let this post put you off joining the local scene.
The scene is what you make of it. It's got some wonderful people in it. To throw the baby out with the bath water in this instance is completely counter productive. You have to take the good with the bad. For everyone who will treat you with disrespect there are 4 other people who you will probably get on with.
The glasgow scene is really good actually. Perhaps the most vibrant and varied in Scotland. I first came out on the Glasgow scene and you will be given a warm welcome. Let's televise and broadcast the raping of kings.
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18 Aug 10, 4:46 PM Sub_Perfetto UK(BB), 3 yrs 
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http://fetlife.com/groups/42 found this group a while ago always good crowd !  So what if the voices in my head arn't real, they have some good ideas
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18 Aug 10, 7:06 PM De_Luxe UK, 5 yrs
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Gabriel_Syme wrote:
De_Luxe wrote:
Gabriel_Syme wrote:
http://cair4.com/
Reading this website, now this is the kind of domination I can get behind!
I'm gonna make this recommended reading for potential partners!
btw Perhaps "belittle" was the wrong word.
I was trying to express how I like being called boy instead of guy/man because it implies inexperience & being lower down in the "hierarchy". Being a young page to a Beautiful Queen to use the knight metaphore.
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I think that site has some good points ie caring and also providing the control that is being sought because it is a good thing not a weakness but I'm really not happy that it talks about 'clean submission' and kinks as if they are undesirable 'problems' that dirty up submission.
They have a right to their own opinion but mine is that kink is not something to feel shit about. Kink isn't obligatory, plenty do D/s without kink but it can be as accepted as much a part of who you are as being sub or Dom is.
Other than that, oh yeah, bring on the white knight or pageboy who offers his courtly love, loyalty and obedience to his deserving Dom/me.
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I agree, the section about reducing kinks was a bit dodgy. Aside from that it does demonstrate the nurturing side of D/s which I think is somewhat neglected in discussion in favour of punishment techniques & singletail technique.
Another important aspect is touches on is how to encourage submission, after all it's quite hard to dominate someone if they're not in the right mindset, just because the person has a submissive streak doesn't mean it's always on.
I think I remember a quote from the site saying "The greatest control, is love"
Bit corney sounding, but basicly it's saying that if you inspire the submissive crush, then they'll do anything you say (within reason).
Having experienced the subby crush a couple of times I can confirm this :p
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Yes, it is nice change from sites that are all about paddles and punishments, I fully agree with what you are saying. Plus me and mine are best friends as well.
Yes, I agree, submission can depend on your headspace.
I mean waving a big stick around has an effect that lasts as long as you have a big stick. Carrots are good but meh have you noticed how quickly they go limp and bendy? . So of course with the price of sticks and carrots in a credit crunch we crafty sods do have to go down the inspiring submission route 
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18 Aug 10, 8:47 PM PinkFreud UK(G), 21 mths |
Elysium wrote:
PinkFreud wrote:
This is a really good post, found a lot of that rang true with myself.
For some of the reasons you mentioned I decided it would probably be best for me to stay away from the local scene as I have a bit too much of a mouth to be treated by everyone as a 'submissive'. I'm not a submissive person, but I'll gladly submit to one person I feel deserving of it and I would be extremely happy in that role. Outside of her though I have no desire to be told what to do
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Hey,
don't let this post put you off joining the local scene.
The scene is what you make of it. It's got some wonderful people in it. To throw the baby out with the bath water in this instance is completely counter productive. You have to take the good with the bad. For everyone who will treat you with disrespect there are 4 other people who you will probably get on with.
The glasgow scene is really good actually. Perhaps the most vibrant and varied in Scotland. I first came out on the Glasgow scene and you will be given a warm welcome.
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Aye I know what you're saying and I appreciate the sentiment behind it but I think at this point in time the munches and clubs just aren't for me really.
Although having said that my search so far has been pretty fruitless so it's getting to the stage where I'll have no other alternative than to go out and meet people... the horror. |
18 Aug 10, 10:40 PM Gabriel_Syme UK(B), 2 yrs 
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Elysium wrote:
...No one is submissive in everything they do and the same is true of dominance. So, it's not really an identity. It's a way of describing power within a relationship. 'I'm submissive to....(insert name)' or 'I seek to be the submissive partner in relationships' is what I would say. Not 'I am a male submissive...
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...however doesn't that imply that if you're not in a relationship then you're not submissive.
I'm still submissive even if I don't have a domme, just means I don't get a chance to exercise it.
On the same logic, I'm still straight even if I don't have a girlfriend.
I see submissive/dominant as words that describe what you look for in a relationship, what turns you on etc.
...but I digress, I get what you're trying to get at.
I'll say "I am a male submissive" for brevity's sake :P
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19 Aug 10, 7:03 PM Elysium UK(EH), 5 yrs 
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Gabriel_Syme wrote:
Elysium wrote:
...No one is submissive in everything they do and the same is true of dominance. So, it's not really an identity. It's a way of describing power within a relationship. 'I'm submissive to....(insert name)' or 'I seek to be the submissive partner in relationships' is what I would say. Not 'I am a male submissive...
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...however doesn't that imply that if you're not in a relationship then you're not submissive.
I'm still submissive even if I don't have a domme, just means I don't get a chance to exercise it.
On the same logic, I'm still straight even if I don't have a girlfriend.
I see submissive/dominant as words that describe what you look for in a relationship, what turns you on etc.
...but I digress, I get what you're trying to get at.
I'll say "I am a male submissive" for brevity's sake :P
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I was only really talking about me. I'm narcissistic like that y'see. Call yourself what you like.
If you masturbate in the woods and no one is around to hear you come. Does that make you straight? Let's televise and broadcast the raping of kings.
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19 Aug 10, 7:16 PM AngelFingers1 UK(CH), 2 yrs 
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Gabriel_Syme wrote:
Male submissive pride
Here's a thing that has been bothering me...
As a male sub who is currently without a partner I partake in femdom fantasy stories, and one thing that I have noticed is that when a male is involved, they're not really someone you want to emulate (scene aside)
I just got the feeling that the portrayal of male subs in these stories don't exactly make you feel proud to be one, more like you're a sick fuck who can't get it up without a woman spiting in your mouth...at least to me it does.
I recently came across a facebook discussion that seems to get to the bottom of the issue.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=1246532003...
the tl:dr version is that since male submission is more of a taboo than female submission, humiliation seems to be a bigger factor.
I for one like being belittled (i.e being called boy, sub, slave) and actions that remind me of my "place", however I don't want to be made to feel like shit (I guess that's the fine line with humiliation play)
Evidence being all the male subs who message women saying they're worthless, don't get many femsubs saying that :p
I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make here, though I have one request:
Does anyone have any links to stories/articles that celebrate male submission, cause at the moment I don't feel very good about being a male sub. (Oh crap am I whining again?)
Oh yeah, and comments 'n' stuff
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http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/253532/0#... Anything but ordinary
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19 Aug 10, 9:33 PM sodsta UK, 5 yrs
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It would be lovely if more male subs started really *owning* their submission. I think it's definitely something to be proud of. Submission is a choice and just by *making* it you are proving yourself a person of strength and character. Many people don't.
I wear my submission very proudly. Almost smugly at times.  Froufrou - kinky hand-made tutus.
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19 Aug 10, 9:46 PM MissSuzy UK(SO), 3 yrs 
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sodsta wrote:
It would be lovely if more male subs started really *owning* their submission. I think it's definitely something to be proud of. Submission is a choice and just by *making* it you are proving yourself a person of strength and character. Many people don't.
I wear my submission very proudly. Almost smugly at times.
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Exactly the point of view of my Mistress and her sub. |