Religion and BDSM - Comments needed (93)

Okay, so when it comes to my Dom I also want the wild mind blowing multi orgasmic sex, but I have no issues with that whatsoever. To *me* Jesus came along and said "love me, love each other, and we'll all be great" - slight paraphrasing perhaps - but it does sum up how I feel about my faith.

When I first read Kendra's writing on Daddy Doms, I recognised in that exactly what I was searching for. I've never been happier or more at peace. I've prayed on all of this and it's right for me.

All that's left is for me to mould Daddy into something more God like*

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*No twoo's were harmed during the making of this joke...

Sorry, could you point out something you have faith in that's not been corrupted by the Church?

Let's take this "purportedly magic Jew", Yeshua bar-Yusuf. What we know about him historically is slim, but judging by certain quotations, eg:

People tend to forget about those in amongst all the "turn the other cheek" stuff that was added by a persecuted minority religion which was seen as subversive and dangerous by the Roman Empire because it refused to recognise any temporal authority outside of the Tribes of Israel.

Taken along with the company he kept (political revolutionaries for the most part, such as Simon Zelotes) and the prophecies which he deliberately tried to fulfil, which spoke of a temporal leader as much as a religious one, we can build up a picture of a sort of Galilean Che Guevara.

The "Son of God" stuff? Dates back to the Council of Nicaea in 325AD. Pretty much everything that makes up Christianity as taught was written as sociopolitical propaganda designed to protect a new and vulnerable religion from persecution. Where exactly does this tie into your "faith"? Faith in what, exactly?

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Edited 13 Aug 10, 12:14 AM by PapaSmurf

Love is the highest - But it has nothing to do with fearies at the bottom of the garden and similar superstitions like religion. Nor did I say I had knowledge of any deity - It would be impossible because they don't exist. Bye!

Elan

I disagree that Paul came along and spoiled the message. the majority of Paul is reflected most closely in

Unfortunately, Saul of Tarsus was a very strict legalist; his conversion to the hippy situationism of Jesus was quite a big turnaround, and while he preached that the old Mosaic law was no longer binding (because "we are saved by faith alone") that message was a bit of a problem for him, and for a lot of the early Christians of Jewish origins. Paul's teaching against homosexuality is an attempt to cling to some of the old rules (the rules considered most troublesome to the Jewish Christians are listed in Acts 15:20, where the decision was made to outlaw them - "eating food polluted by idols", "sexual immorality", "meat from strangled animals", "blood").

Indeed, in Paul's letters he regularly criticises "false piety", and setting up rules to judge who is higher or not.

Of course, Paul also has a twisted view of marriage (e.g. Ephesians 5:22-29, used by the Christian Discipline movement to justify male-dominant/female submissive D/s). He does, however, accept sexuality is natural and positive, although his advice is that if you're horny, you must marry someone quickly so you can shag within wedlock!

DaddysBrat wrote: I actually realised at one point that what I really wanted was a relationship All that's left is for me to mould Daddy into something more God like*

Ha Ha - "Let us make 'God' in our image, in our likeness" - (With absolutely no apology to genesis 1:26) - And so it is repeated down the ages ad nauseam

Elan

It is always interesting to encounter a person whose disbelief in the existence of a deity is as fundamentalist a belief as a belief in the existence of one.That belief is a faith in itself.You cannot debate with a fundamentalist:all they do is make statements,and do not want a challenge to their beliefs.I am not so knowledgeable,or so much a believer, so I must retire to the position of the thoughtful agnostic : somebody who has an open mind.

Practise senseless acts of beauty.

Ah, Luke 22:36. The context for this advice is that it is the Last Supper; Jesus knows (if we accept that he has knowledge of things to come) that his disciples will soon face persecution (the Book of Acts outlines how they had to barricade themselves in their dwelling until after the uproar in Jerusalem had passed).

Jesus was indeed a revolutionary, both against the established Church (synagogue, I suppose) of the day, and the established government. Although I wouldn't talk in terms of a Che Guevara figure, because Jesus never advocated turning to violence, as Guevara did (although he did say that his words would cause division amongst the people, his reference to swords are usually figurative).

Here's just 2 Biblical passages that refute that claim:

John 1:1 ; Luke 10:22 Look them up yourself.

Hardly! The central tenets of Christianity as taught to me, are given by 2 passages.

John 3:16-17 -

Mark 12:28-31 -

You get to make your claim because, starting with Paul, there is some truth to what you say about protecting the Church from persecution. But the central tenets, the ones that define Christian faith that you so clearly despise, are not. They speak of love and forgiveness.

It is true: the faith of individuals cannot be corrupted (though they may feel it has been betrayed) by corrupt church leaders; indeed, that was another common theme in Jesus' teachings and reported miracles (people considered disgusting or sinners are reportedly healed, while Jesus preached against the religious leaders of the day).

Ha Ha! nice try but dull! You won't get away with that! We have not broached the subject of evidence yet, but your open mindedness is supported by very little of that in this field. I am an open minded person, but even without the recourse to evidence, logic alone concludes that Jehova (or is it Wotan or Zeus this week?) do not exist. We could also do evidence......

It is not about fundamentalism - But rationality and I love to keep my mind open in that field. Goodnight

Elan

Practise senseless acts of beauty.

Max - you were self-aware enough earlier in the thread to realise that when you said you "hate anyone who thinks others are inferior" that that was contradictory of your own statement that you hated Christians, since your own reason for doing so was that they are (in your eyes) inferior.

Please exercise the same self-awareness in the oxymoron I quote above.

What you are saying is "the REALITY is... that life is a feeling, and that REALITY is (effectively) meaningless, since ephemeral"

You shoot yourself in the foot again. IF reality is a fleeting concept, you CANNOT logically say that that is REALLY true, nor that life is just a feeling. In fact, you cannot "tell" us anything. Since the shifting nature of reality means that nothing is concrete enough to be told. What this indicates is that you feel that life is a feeling. Which is meaningless. You cannot say that life (and therefore its content and positions) IS (only) a feeling, since to state "IS" necessitates definition and certainty.

In other words, your statement amounts to: "the (certain) REALITY (a word which means nothing fixed or certain, in your view)) is "fixed" and "certain" that nothing is actually fixed and certain.

Are you certain that absolutely nothing is certain?

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"It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others" - Anon