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| 23 Jul 10, 9:38 PM Tanos  UK(M), 14 yrs    |
Fantasy games aren't the ones that are consensual non-consent though, so that wouldn't help. Try thinking of it as "consensually-entered non-consent". People can change their minds back and forth so there's no contradiction. Imagine a snooker table with a "blue-painted red ball". It looks blue but it's still one of the red balls underneath the paint. Again, there's no contradiction because the state of the ball has changed over time. For convenience, we might say a "blue red-ball". Regards, Tanos www.tanos.org.uk | ||
| 23 Jul 10, 10:13 PM ClassAct2005 UK(N), 7 yrs  |
It's still a red ball though. This feels a bit like Galileo having to say the world is flat when it's round. To confuse people and get it wrong we might call it a blue red-ball. If we used the right wrods - blue-painted red ball then we wouldn't. Mia's thing.. th at's consent. Don't want at all to wear the collar or be spanked or taken etc but put up with it or let him physically force you - you're consenting to it. it's not non consent at all. It's no more non consensual than a man puts out the rubbish when he doesn't want to because he wants his wife to stop nagging him about it.
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| 23 Jul 10, 10:21 PM mia UK(M), 4 yrs     |
I'm wearing it right now. It was put on yesterday. He snapped it around my neck whilst i was asleep. I woke up to him locking it. It's not a case of 'putting up with it' or 'letting him force me' (i'm not strong enough to fight him off - i've tried). It's a case of i am unable to make any worthwhile objection or change my situation. It's like the cage thing again. How can you get out, if you don't have they key? You can't. So, if you *genuinely* want out, not 'no no no, yes, no', then you are being held against your will; without your consent. xx I am a bad person | ||
| 23 Jul 10, 10:33 PM ClassAct2005 UK(N), 7 yrs |
Okay, I do understand that. Most men are stronger than women. They can force us whether we like it or not but I don't agree you don't consent to it. You agreed in advance. Just as if I woke up next to someone I was in a D/s relationship with and he was inside me. I'd consented to that when I agreed I was always available. I don't see why it's non consent. Anyway given that everyone on this thread writing about it is probably virtually identical in terms of what they need and how they like their relationships to be and understanding of the psyche that makes them so, it's fairly pointless arguing over the words... except I don't like inaccuracies. | ||
| 23 Jul 10, 10:46 PM Tanos UK(M), 14 yrs |
It looks blue from the outside though, so in that sense it is a blue ball. And cricket balls are red balls, right? Yes, even though they are not red on the inside either. In the same way, consensual non-consent is consensual in the long term ("on the outside") even if there are periods of non-consent embedded in it ("on the inside" ... eg inside the cage after the change of mind.) Regards, Tanos www.tanos.org.uk |
