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Laughing Gas equals Turbo Mix equals Death (90)

This thread is a continuation of "Breathplay death", and ".", and "Death in Belgium", and "2 Pro-Dommes arrested"

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29 Jun 10, 12:26 PM
Attitude_Adjuster
UK(N), 6 yrs

Imperius wrote:

"Yeah, but generally, brakes on a car don't fail so we don't have to think what to do if they do, or be prepared"

Works for me :-)

Pro tip: You can reduce the risk by a whole factor of two, by only doing it half the time :-)

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29 Jun 10, 12:30 PM
AstronautMikeDexter
UK(E), 2 yrs
Imperius wrote:
"shouldn't be an issue"

Yes, I know. But it's called contingency planning. Your argument is akin to

"Yeah, but generally, brakes on a car don't fail so we don't have to think what to do if they do, or be prepared"

Brakes do fail, and people have unusual reactions to things. Be sensible and prepared, I say.

Be sensible and be prepared isn't contingency planning. The flipside of proper contingency planning is proper risk assessment and the risk of asphyxiation from recreational nitrous use is so astronomically tiny that most people safely consume it without ever having turned their minds to a contingency plan for such and eventuality.

And the same also goes for a car breaks failure. There is no generally accepted contingency plan that you're taught for that eventuality. Mostly because the risk is so small and if it happens you quickly can resolve the problem entirely by taking your foot off the accelerator.

--- Autofellatio - a lot more like having a cock in your mouth than a mouth on your cock.

29 Jun 10, 12:30 PM
AstronautMikeDexter
UK(E), 2 yrs
Attitude_Adjuster wrote:
Imperius wrote:

"Yeah, but generally, brakes on a car don't fail so we don't have to think what to do if they do, or be prepared"

Works for me :-)

Pro tip: You can reduce the risk by a whole factor of two, by only doing it half the time :-)

Only if the risk is linearly related to use ;)

--- Autofellatio - a lot more like having a cock in your mouth than a mouth on your cock.

29 Jun 10, 12:35 PM
Degenerate*
UK(M), 5 yrs

I think Im going to stick to lowering my risk by continuing to abstain! This is too confusing!

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29 Jun 10, 12:46 PM
AstronautMikeDexter
UK(E), 2 yrs
Degenerate wrote:
I think Im going to stick to lowering my risk by continuing to abstain! This is too confusing!

It's not that confusing; acute short term use is demonstratively safe but is accompanied with an exceptionally tiny asphyxiation risk; Ensure any equipment is working and/or don't breathe pure nitrous for extended periods.

Chronic regular exposure does carry some health risks and those at risk of such exposure should follow published COSSH guidelines on use.

What it really means is that doms who regularly use it in regular medical scenes are probably more at risk of adverse effects than subs who have a couple of doses administered in a session.

--- Autofellatio - a lot more like having a cock in your mouth than a mouth on your cock.

Edited 29 Jun 10, 4:38 PM by AstronautMikeDexter

29 Jun 10, 2:07 PM
Degenerate*
UK(M), 5 yrs

ah I think I prefer using non chemical methods of making a bottom's head spin ;-)

Thanks - thats good simple advice though which now makes sense of it mostly. So glad people are trying to get information out there - maybe we need a thread in SM/fetish specially for safety info?

*goes for a lie down on account of old-fartness*

De

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29 Jun 10, 2:23 PM
hollythedolly
UK(NN), 2 yrs


Wonky_Donkey wrote:
Please be aware hollythedolly that you and newbie123 are not the only people on this thread that work with N20, there are afew who disagree with you who also work with it professionally.

Plus just because someone works with it professionally does not mean they know all about it.

When my nan was in hospital last year, dying of lung cancer and had COPD because of a ward sister she had a very serious incident with her oxygen, my nans consultant went absoloutly apeshit and berated the sister and her underlings infront of us.

hollythedolly wrote:
If using nitrous oxide floats your boat then use it, but my point is like any drug it can be addictive and used with caution.

But I'm going to tear up my certificates that I spent a few years to get and ask admin to write one for me because how any employer as ever taken me on without the superior knowledge of IC I really don't know.

If I had the time and the energy I would get facts and figures to back up my side of the debate but as with everything in life I can't be arsed.

I pay to actually do the job I do I am accountable for all my actions believe it or not I know how to look after a copd patient. If I am unsure on anything I go for training now erm who do I go to someone who doesn't look at things from all angles or the one that does

Another one bites the dust.

30 Jun 10, 8:16 PM
Tara_Red
UK(B), 5 yrs
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patchworkpants wrote:
Yeah! I love N2O. It's a winner at festivals. Lots of people buy it. They sell it in balloons and canisters. :)

And the vast majority of festivals have now banned it from sale on site after drunken revellers abused it and ended up in the 1st aid tents!

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30 Jun 10, 9:38 PM
AstronautMikeDexter
UK(E), 2 yrs
Tara_Red wrote:
patchworkpants wrote:
Yeah! I love N2O. It's a winner at festivals. Lots of people buy it. They sell it in balloons and canisters. :)

And the vast majority of festivals have now banned it from sale on site after drunken revellers abused it and ended up in the 1st aid tents!

Got a source for that?

Most festivals stepped up their policing of nitrous because it is a requirement of their license that they provide enough security to do their best to prevent the sale of illegal drugs and a couple of years ago the police got a whole load more serious about nitrous.

--- Autofellatio - a lot more like having a cock in your mouth than a mouth on your cock.

30 Jun 10, 10:48 PM
Manteau
UK(S), 2 yrs

plownds26 wrote:
A terrible tagedy.I,m supprised this sort of thing could happen.Particularly as the Misstress in question was a profesional.I don't know the circumstances of this poor mans death and so cannotaccuse anyone of *profesional negligence.Makes You wonder though.

Regretably, there isn't a recognised accredited professional association for dominatrix's (plural dominatrixi?). So worry not, there's little chance of her being dragged up in front of the S&M version of the GMC, and being struck off.

*..Professional means being paid for what you do, it isn't an indication of ability. Ask any bus or taxi driver. :-)

Suffering becomes beautiful when anyone bears great Calamities with cheerfulness, not through insensibility but through greatness of mind. Aristotle

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