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Zero restrictions on pornography defended on Fox (9)

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Tue 15 Jun 10, 4:27 AM
doulos
UK(SW), 7 yrs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NP2I8t3B2U

Who says Rupert Murdoch is good for nothing:)?

I don't agree with Judge Napolitano's positon entirely. I think images of actual abuse obviously possessed for reasons of enjoyment amounts to a form of participation in those acts. Still it is interesting to see such a radical position being put forward in such a mainstream arena.

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15 Jun 10, 8:12 AM
Tanos*
UK(M), 14 yrs

doulos wrote:
I think images of actual abuse obviously possessed for reasons of enjoyment amounts to a form of participation in those acts.

Personally, I think possession of child pornography should be reframed as criminal invasion of privacy, to focus things back on the victim and their violated rights.

That then makes it clear why cartoons of young looking Japanese women etc should be legal to possess.

For BDSM images, it would make it clear that possession of records of consensual sessions couldn't be outlawed.

Regards,

Tanos

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Edited 15 Jun 10, 8:14 AM by Tanos

15 Jun 10, 9:54 AM
Degenerate*
UK(M), 5 yrs

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15 Jun 10, 10:37 AM
bohnanza
UK(FK), 12 yrs

I fail to see what an american obscenity prosecution, whose defence seems to be centred around the First Amendment of the US Constitution, has any relevance to the UK BDSM scene. Perhaps someone could enlighten me?

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15 Jun 10, 11:36 AM
MasterOfMe
UK(WD), 6 yrs

Without having followed the link (so I don't know the details of what is being discussed):

Because cultures influence each other and while it's not a legal precedent it could be a cultural one.

15 Jun 10, 11:48 AM
emark
UK, 9 yrs
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15 Jun 10, 1:15 PM
doulos
UK(SW), 7 yrs
American jurisprudence has its roots in English common law, as was the intention behind establishing the European Convention on Human Rights. So it is useful to see how these concepts are being applied in different countries.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H. L. Mencken

15 Jun 10, 5:29 PM
Attitude_Adjuster
UK(N), 6 yrs

Tanos wrote:
doulos wrote:
I think images of actual abuse obviously possessed for reasons of enjoyment amounts to a form of participation in those acts.

Personally, I think possession of child pornography should be reframed as criminal invasion of privacy, to focus things back on the victim and their violated rights.

That then makes it clear why cartoons of young looking Japanese women etc should be legal to possess.

makes sense....

For BDSM images, it would make it clear that possession of records of consensual sessions couldn't be outlawed.

but I'm not sure how the possessor is supposed to know the degree of consent involved? Isn't it the same as the 'looking young' trap...

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16 Jun 10, 1:32 AM
doulos
UK(SW), 7 yrs
It does make a lot of sense.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." H. L. Mencken

16 Jun 10, 7:59 AM
Ian_2007
UK(N), 4 yrs
I'm not sure many people outside the Tea Party Movement would regard the op-ed parts of Fox News as "mainstream" any more :-)

There was an interesting cultural resonance on Rude Britannia last night. Probably I'm the last person here to learn this, but the 1857 Obscene Publications Act was originally only intended to stop the "wrong people" (proles, basically) getting access to indecent material. Sounds not a million miles from some of the knots ICers sometimes tie themselves in when attempting to frame hypothetical legislation.

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