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| Belasarius |
on Sat 8 May 10, 9:29 AM to the O_and_P group.
We have a PP protocol (personal pronoun). She has been striving since New Year's day to remove "I" from her speech and writing (with the proviso that I will permit it in important and difficult conversations). She's done it.
I post this partly as a celebration (should you feel inclined, you can congratulate her here: http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/259606/ ) but mainly to ask how other O&People use language in their dynamics?
I am so pleased and proud and I think it makes her special: It's awkward for her, but she makes it appear natural and easy - she has restructured her use of language comprehensively so that I doubt others notice. She rarely resorts to "one" or "this girl" (even though the latter makes me horny}.
Do others mind their language?
Best to all.
Edited Sat 8 May 10, 9:42 AM by Belasarius
| 8 May 10, 9:47 AM Master_Chocolatier UK(B), 5 yrs |
I read through the posts from the link with interest. At this time I couldn't see me doing this with a sub but that is because I am at this point single, and you two appear to have been together for a good while. I do however like the idea, particularly with regards to removing bad language from a subs vocabulary. "I'm not jealous- just bitter and twisted | |
| 8 May 10, 10:19 AM Belasarius UK(M), 8 yrs      |
She pretty much did that straight off and without asking. Sexual swearwords are now normally confined to the bedroom - but used copiously there. My goal - to save women from nature (Dior) | |
| 8 May 10, 6:04 PM Dragonfyre UK(M), 5 yrs |
Can you expand on this part please? Maybe give some examples of the sort of things she says these days? I like the idea of removing personal pronouns as it adds to the D/s, slave-like aspect of the relationship, but I'd probably only implement this protocol on a part-time basis, just to keep her on her toes, forcing her think about the words she chooses for an evening or two.
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| 8 May 10, 6:52 PM Belasarius UK(M), 8 yrs |
Examples: "I'll make the tea" becomes "tea will be made"; "I don't want that" - "that is not wanted". She may pop by later and add more. I like that it is a permanent change, My goal - to save women from nature (Dior) | |
| 8 May 10, 10:31 PM Dragonfyre UK(M), 5 yrs |
Thanks for that, it's an interesting concept, and playing around with speech patterns is something I'd like to look into at some point in the future. | |
| 10 May 10, 9:52 PM Atrebate UK, 4 yrs |
Belasarius, thanks for posting this. It's fascinating to read about the process, and is clearly a great achievement on your submissive's part. Could you help me out in understanding why you wanted her to do it though? One possibility I thought of is that it's purely a control thing. In that case, it wouldn't matter how you chose to change her behaveour as long as it comprises a constant mindfulness for her to acquire (and no bad thing for that). So is it arbitrary, in that sense?
Another possible reason I thought of is that it serves to create a dissolution of her sense of self. Is that it? That would not work for me and mine, but my perspective isn't typical (cf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatta). The example, "Tea will be made" sounds like just the sort of thing I might say, and rather dominant: more a declaration of a universal truth than a statement of a personal intention. Anyway, it's fascinating to discuss these things; I'd love to hear more about your motivations. Sincerely, Tnt "There's no D/s in Team" (Sparks, V., 2009, pers. comm.) | |
| 11 May 10, 12:21 AM Belasarius UK(M), 8 yrs |
It is much more the former than the latter, In fact it is the very opposite of the latter. I wish no dissolution of personality but, rather, to create a feeling in her that I am constantly making her more mine by exaggerating things that appeal to me and making her more the person she wants to be for me by taking her in directions she wants to go but which she could not achieve on her own. It is a control thing too. I feel good that she should do this for me.
"shall tea be made" is another way if putting it My goal - to save women from nature (Dior) Edited 19 May 10, 4:14 PM by Belasarius | |
| 19 May 10, 3:54 PM successfu1 5 yrs |
Though not a fan of this particular protocol I do like the concept of language control and found it worked well in the past to keep a conciousness in a Dynamic and builds Expectations that things are bring thought through and since words are so vital to maintenance and development of a dynamic it's useful to have those at the forefront of ones dynamic. And, given the nature of my real life I should really swear less. Ban me anyone?! | |
| 19 May 10, 4:27 PM Belasarius UK(M), 8 yrs |
She continues to do well and is gratifyingly mortified when she drops an unforced "I", just once in a while. She tells me it is beginning to influence her speech at work and elsewhere too, which is gratifying, as long as it isn't emabarrassing for her. I was very proud when, at Lash last Friday, I'd got her down and snuggled in her blanky, following a stiff flogging and her first bastinado, and a new chum came up to talk to us - even in that state she managed to do without her "I". There are times when she, I think, still resents it a little - but it appears very natural now and makes her, in my eyes, quite different in an appealing way. Very glad we did it. Our next project will be a little more physical: http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/272681/0/... Best to all. My goal - to save women from nature (Dior) Edited 19 May 10, 4:28 PM by Belasarius | |
| 19 May 10, 7:40 PM candlefire 2 yrs |
Did this for a long while some years ago, though not to do with O&P nor D&s. Enormously liberating and inclusive of creation to remove Iness from self.
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