Dominants v Psychopaths (38)

VoodooGirl was born with Sun in Scorpio, Moon in Scorpio, Brain in Fraggle Rock.

Edited Fri 26 Nov 10, 2:00 PM by VoodooGirl

As seen in the first, Dr Robert Hare is the usual authority cited on psychopathic and sociopathic personality disorders.

His webpage is here: http://www.hare.org/welcome/ and is well worth some exploration and study.

I am always amazed at how commentators in the media still say things like, "of course, the condition is extremely rare; it occurs in only only 1 to 3 percent of the population". In a shopping centre or even a night club district at the weekend, that's a lot of people, so be aware.

As with all medicine and especially the sciences of the mind, the definitions and coping tactics constantly evolve.

"He took a single sip of her pain and found it exquisite"

The lack of empathy and freedom from conscience or put another way the absence of feeling constrained by many of the general social norms that make other people anxious can give quite an interesting focus to your own adherence to those values. Or it would do if you knew you were dealing with a sociopath but of course you usually don't, because of the lies, deceit etc etc

Diagnosed sociopaths and aspirant sociopaths congregate to chat about living life without the usual ethical values at the Dr Robert forums and sociopath world. Quite interesting.

http://www.dr-robert.com/archives.html

http://www.sociopathworld.com/

There's a difference between believing that, and knowing it

Seriously though, some of the other things like never taking responsibility for their actions and not being able to empathise or not being able to control their actions among others, are not something I would attribute to anyone I consider to be a Dominant character. Not even the ones I'm not a huge fan of!

This one is interesting though:

I've said before on these boards that I don't necessarily view manipulation as a bad thing. It depends in what way the manipulation is used... You can take a lump of clay and manipulate it into a beautiful vase for example. Now, I realise "manipulate" has grown to have negative connotations, but why should it?

What if as a Dom you're using positively manipulative methods to train and improve the actions of the submissive - to deal with an addiction, to become more organised, to be more in control of their own emotions, to improve their everyday way of life and make them fundamentally a happier person?

Kisses to all you fabioso people!
Patrick
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It is basically a checklist of my Ex personality traits.

Pity the next poor victim!

T x

I used to be Snow White, but I drifted. Mae West

Edited 17 Mar 10, 12:27 PM by tallulahme

Exactly - that's why I really dislike the word manipulate.

Even by dictionary definition, 'manipulate' appears to almost always be used as a positive in the context of physical interaction (eg massage).

But as negative when used relating to psychological interaction.

I just don't believe that's always the case...

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Patrick
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The forums that I linked are interesting because they contain detailed discussions of manipulating people just for the sheer heck of it. It's a way of life and a pleasure just so long as the duped person is not a complete push over, in which case it's all just a bore.

Factor 1 reminds me of some job advertisements. Ok, the choice of words may have been slightly different but ...

I want to reconcile the violence in your heart. I want to recognize your beauty is not just a mask. - Muse, Undisclosed desires

I would say that is because manipulating someone psychologically would imply not being honest about the motivation / goal. Which can hardly be hidden in a physical interaction.

If that goal is noble, why would anyone hide it? I may try to bring about situations where sub finds it easier to take / abstain from certain actions but I would have disclosed and agreed on that goal at some earlier time (i.e. "you must not think about this so much it makes you lose sleep"). I wouldn't call that manipulation and I would be very careful with messing with someone's personality because:

a. They may be happier while I do it. But what if I decide to move on? b. I would personally lose respect for / interest in that person. As soon as they do everything I say, I would want a new "toy". c. That may be only me, but it just doesn't fit my definition of "consensual" when the other person has no clue of what I am doing with them.

subette wrote: Damn - I thought this was going to be about a new reality TV show...

Yeah me too, and I was just going to apply to be a contestant!

Bummer.

There is more than one way to skin a cat but there is only one try per cat