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DancesWithPussycats
Posted by DancesWithPussycats on Mon 15 Mar 10, 10:18 PM to the Politics group.

Should the Prime Minister, or other Government Ministers, be taking sides in an industrial dispute between a non-strategic independent business and its employees?

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16 Mar 10, 9:32 AM
geek_love
UK, 23 mths
DancesWithPussycats wrote:
Should the Prime Minister, or other Government Ministers, be taking sides in an industrial dispute between a non-strategic independent business and its employees?

I assume we're talking the BA strike action here.

What we seem to have here is a strike that given the current financial climate and the nature of its actions is not proving to be terribly popular. Gordon Browns announcment of the strike as "unjustified and deplorable" is just another example of his flagrant chasing of votes (don't get me started on his Susan Boyle/Stephen Gaitly TV appearances - one word - "Why"). Given his strong links to the union involved I can only assume that some back-room deal is been done to keep them happy. So I'm not sure if he is actually taking sides on this. As usual he seems to want his cake (stay in line with the popular view of the strike, show the electorate he's on "our" side) and eat it (keep his union funding going).

I long for a return to the days when you knew what a politician stood for regardless of whether or not you agreed with them. The current breed seem to only be concerned with offending the least number of voters in any given situation.

I'm not a great one for deep political analysis, so please go easy on me :-)

GL

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16 Mar 10, 11:25 AM
x_Thunder_x
UK(E), 9 yrs



geek_love wrote:
DancesWithPussycats wrote:
Should the Prime Minister, or other Government Ministers, be taking sides in an industrial dispute between a non-strategic independent business and its employees?
I long for a return to the days when you knew what a politician stood for regardless of whether or not you agreed with them. The current breed seem to only be concerned with offending the least number of voters in any given situation.

GL

As someone who was once deeply involved in politics, both at a local and national level I long since discovered one cannot please all of the people all of the time.

Worse offenders than NuLab in fact are the Liberals who quite often have different policies depending on which part of the country a candidate is standing.

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16 Mar 10, 1:26 PM
geek_love
UK, 23 mths
x_Thunder_x wrote:
geek_love wrote:
DancesWithPussycats wrote:
Should the Prime Minister, or other Government Ministers, be taking sides in an industrial dispute between a non-strategic independent business and its employees?
I long for a return to the days when you knew what a politician stood for regardless of whether or not you agreed with them. The current breed seem to only be concerned with offending the least number of voters in any given situation.

GL

As someone who was once deeply involved in politics, both at a local and national level I long since discovered one cannot please all of the people all of the time.

Worse offenders than NuLab in fact are the Liberals who quite often have different policies depending on which part of the country a candidate is standing.

I'm not suggesting that any particular party is more guilty than any other, just bemoaning the fact that there does not seem to be any politicians around who seem able of taking a stand on an issue and then convincing the electorate. This element seems to have left politics to be with a "I'm listening" approach. There's a distinct lack of leadership around at the moment in all parties.

If you ask the general public what they want then I suspect you're going to get a pretty common sense list from them, however ask them where the country should be going and opionions will fragment. So yes we need our leaders to listen to our needs, but we also need them to guide us forward otherwise they're just glorified administrators.

Don't usually get involved in this sort of thing, maybe you can see why now :-)

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16 Mar 10, 1:39 PM
DancesWithPussycats
UK(TW), 7 yrs

I was more wondering why the PM thought it was his place to publicly take sides in a private dispute in which he is not involved.

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16 Mar 10, 2:57 PM
geek_love
UK, 23 mths
DancesWithPussycats wrote:
I was more wondering why the PM thought it was his place to publicly take sides in a private dispute in which he is not involved.

Sorry, we went off track a bit.

My point is that I don't for a minute think he has taken sides. He has made a public announcement with regards to the strike and I think that this has been done as a purely populist move. I'm pretty sure that he will have had some kind of contact with UNITE, probably reminding them that life will be very different for them if the Labour party fails at the next election as a result of industrial action.

He's just chasing every last vote in what promises to be a close run election, if he can get the holiday makers vote in the bag on the back of this all well and good.

GL

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16 Mar 10, 8:50 PM
JustPlainOldKinky
UK(DA), 3 yrs

geek_love wrote:
DancesWithPussycats wrote:
I was more wondering why the PM thought it was his place to publicly take sides in a private dispute in which he is not involved.

Sorry, we went off track a bit.

My point is that I don't for a minute think he has taken sides. He has made a public announcement with regards to the strike and I think that this has been done as a purely populist move. I'm pretty sure that he will have had some kind of contact with UNITE, probably reminding them that life will be very different for them if the Labour party fails at the next election as a result of industrial action.

He's just chasing every last vote in what promises to be a close run election, if he can get the holiday makers vote in the bag on the back of this all well and good.

GL

Id agree 100% with GL's views on this..this is just a cynical move on Brown's part on chasing the floating voter with meaningless platitudes.

17 Mar 10, 7:51 PM
tom_tom
UK(PO), 6 yrs

This:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8569124.s...

is quite interesting.

Unite is a hugely powerful political force. It is Labour's largest donor, providing £11m since 2007. Without Unite, Labour would probably have gone bankrupt.

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18 Mar 10, 7:08 AM
geek_love
UK, 23 mths
tom_tom's article hits the nail on the head. Gordon Brown involvement is this is all to do with gathering votes.

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