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| 7 Mar 10, 11:15 PM WednesdayAddams UK(CB), 3 yrs  |
Please read my post above, that is just not true. What you've said is more like the Daily Mail version of ECT. Oh...and I can totally understand the fascination with owning one. It's just using it I object to...which was, after all, the OP's question. ETA a correction: 'that is just not true of modern ECT practices in this country'. Admittedly 60 years ago things were very different indeed! 'May your blood scream' - a traditional Klingon toast Edited 7 Mar 10, 11:19 PM by WednesdayAddams | ||
| 7 Mar 10, 11:59 PM May_Thorn UK(BS), 6 yrs £ |
I completely concur with everything Wednesday says on the subject of ECT here. I do that from also having personal experience, but from the other side. 35yrs ago I was a student psychiatric nurse regularly involved in ECT treatment as part of my training. It left a very lasting impression on me, and my views on its use are still ambivalent. As far as owning the apparatus now. I'd love to, for dramatic effect, and possibly as a reminder of my past. But I would first have it 'de-commissioned' so as to avoid any unpleasantness. Definitely not an appliance for fun of the good sort. Well not unless you REALLY annoy me. If you're not living on the edge....I can help. | ||
| 8 Mar 10, 7:57 AM leopard99 UK(N), 2 yrs  |
Thanks for all your thoughts on this. Even if I'd bought it I really couldn't imagine applying the electrodes to somebody's head. Perhaps to some other part of the anatomy, as a sort of vintage Tens/Estim idea. Or is the current a bit too much - I've no idea what sort of currents were used for ECT. I'm trying to find an online reference for that set of curves showing physiological effect against current and duration. I don't like to imagine how they got the results for the upper end of the range. | ||
| 8 Mar 10, 8:20 AM nepthys UK, 4 yrs  |
Very effective therapy for resistant depression/puerperal psychosis and some other disorders of mood. I very briefly worked in a ECT clinic as part of my student RMN training in the mid-late 80s. Saw some dramatic effects and benefits.. But as an artefact this machine is interesting - for useage you'd need your head examining...
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| 8 Mar 10, 8:22 AM stevielouts UK(HD), 9 yrs |
Would be far too powerful for tens/e-stim type play, these things are designed to 'reboot' the brain after all. I cant deny I wouldnt mind being 'prepared' for using them, and indeed having the electrodes placed on me, but wouldnt want it switched on! Well...part of me does, but most of me doesnt as I know what the effects can be like! happy volunteer for mind control and robotisation experiments | ||
| 8 Mar 10, 8:46 AM Sirebel UK, 5 yrs    |
Thank you for restoring some normality to this thread. I'm now trawling the internet to see if I can get one of these for the bargain £5 mentioned. I can imagine it would be a fucking powerful fear play, especially if it wasn't decommissioned. Imagine being strapped down, shown there was current flowing in the headset and then blindfolded and prepped for treatment. Note: I would of course ensure that headset was unplugged before actually attaching it. I wouldn't fancy the outcome of the coroners report in the case of an accident. I don't know what's right and what's real any more | ||
| 8 Mar 10, 9:07 AM Muzzlehatch UK(TN), 7 yrs |
If they ever want to sell it, I'll give them a tenner for it! Before everyone starts shouting. I would then give it to my mate Jim, who has the equipment, and the technical know-how to analyse the output precisely. If the range was too high, easy to change a few capacitors.
Wouldn't bother with the head electrodes, but a di-pole e-stim for that money. I would. Owner of The Croppery Dungeon and Breakfast. Organises The St Leonards munch Promotes The Club with no name | ||
| 8 Mar 10, 2:49 PM WednesdayAddams UK(CB), 3 yrs |
This was published by the Royal College of Psychiatrists and looks like it might be of use. I've only read the first few pages, but it should give you some idea how the output is determined. It is geared towards modern machines though, which are significantly more complicated in terms of parameters used to calculate the dose. I seem to remember being told that the Thymatron (the Rolls Royce of ECT machines at the time) which was the machine used to treat me, incorporated EEG readings and resistance across the brain in its dose calculations. This is part of what makes these machines far safer than the older ones when used n treatment. I wouldn't recommend using it as s vintage type of e-stim. Not unless you know a Hell of a lot about electronics and electrophysiology. There's no way I'd ever let anyone near me with one though. If you're looking for a cheaper alternative to e-stim you could try using a TENS machine. They are safe so long as the current can't flow through the heart or brain. 'May your blood scream' - a traditional Klingon toast | ||
| 8 Mar 10, 7:44 PM fluffy_welsh_angel UK(DN), 6 yrs |
Ah there's a surprise. jump on a reply of mine! I just think it's pointless. Swords fair enough, they are pretty. But this, it's not even something to look at. It's ugly. Edited to add, the OP asked if it was pervertable....to even think of doing that with this is stupid. Mew Edited 8 Mar 10, 7:45 PM by fluffy_welsh_angel | ||
| 8 Mar 10, 9:02 PM Protocol 4 yrs |
I think the fact that you think death is a likely outcome of misusing an ECT machine - or more accurately, using it for its intended purpose - is a bigger indicator of a lack of 'normality' than anything else. Electricity, despite what you read on here, is extremely safe. There's a reason it's used to torture people in countries where human rights aren't as honoured as they are here - people can take an awful lot of it before they die. Whether you'd want to use it for play is again another question, but 'normality' has nothing to do with either aspect. Edited 8 Mar 10, 9:04 PM by Protocol |
