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| Thu 4 Mar 10, 6:37 PM Top_Class UK(GU), 2 yrs   |
Are the actions which a Top performs on a totally submissive bottom known as 'punishments'? I'm trying to make sure I speak the same language as everyone else. From my point of view, if someone is submitting well there should be rewards (to positively reinforce desired behaviour). Yet the actions I perform when someone submits completely seem to be referred to as 'punishment'. Real punishment for poor submission would not be a spanking. "Fork handles?" "No, not 'fork handles' ... four candles." | ||
| 4 Mar 10, 6:43 PM Thistle US, 4 yrs |
I think the answers are as varied as who you are talking to. I don't consider mutually desired pain, torture, et al to be punishment, rather they are pleasure. So, call it playing, scening, etc. However, I do think that a spanking or similar beating can be used as an effective actual or real punishment for a submissive masochist, because the atmosphere and intent is entirely different. I've just never understood the mentality that a spanking can't be pleasurable one time and punishment another. Edited for clarity. love the brave but avoid cowards, knowing the gratitude of cowards is small ~Praxilla of Sicyon Edited 4 Mar 10, 6:50 PM by Thistle | ||
| 4 Mar 10, 6:43 PM Diablos_patience UK, 6 yrs |
I guess it depends in what context you are playing, but generally no, not unless they were clearly defined as being a punishment.... if you are spanking someone for pleasure and they are caling it a punishment they are getting it wrong, you only punish for bad behaviour....for many submissives the psychological aspect or receiving a punihment is often fasr worse than the physical punishment itself. ~* Raku wa ku no tané; ku wa raku no tané. *~ | ||
| 4 Mar 10, 6:43 PM epona74 UK(SL), 7 yrs |
The simple answer is: it depends! For ME, a punishment is something I get if I've done something wrong. It is not a good thing, it is a learning experience, and not something I'd ever want as a regular thing. Whereas a spanking/caning/flogging/whatever is play, and actually more like a reward than anything else. Mind you, I'm not big on the whole 'bratting' to get a spanking either...I'd far rather ask for one! But I do know that others consider "punishment" to be what they call play, and sometimes they'll even find "things done wrong" to give them the reason/excuse to do so. One of my exes did that, and it used to drive me crazy as I was always of the opinion that if she wanted to beat me that was reason enough, she didn't need to make some reason up to do it!
I've seen this question crop up now and then, so you're far from the only person not sure! I work on the principle of communication...find out what my prospective partner means by something before making mistakes
Two roads diverged in a wood and I, I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference. (R. Frost) | ||
| 4 Mar 10, 6:45 PM insanity_sane 4 yrs |
Simple, when its something i enjoy, flog me or spank me and i will smile, i will get aroused, take something away from me and ignor me i will feel devastated. | ||
| 4 Mar 10, 6:56 PM mornington_crescent UK(CB), 3 yrs |
I prefer to think of them as "funishments". Like a punishment, but FUN! ~ Also known as catherine_winkworth | ||
| 4 Mar 10, 8:23 PM Top_Class UK(GU), 2 yrs |
I hadn't realised the extent to which a true punishment could affect a true submissive, but understand completely in the context of one for whom submitting to the best of their abilities is their goal. In that context, any failure is an absolute failure.
"Fork handles?" "No, not 'fork handles' ... four candles." | ||
| 4 Mar 10, 8:54 PM Fitznicely UK(B), 2 yrs |
This is my definition alone. Some people will agree, some will not: There are those who call any impact play "punishment". Fair enough, if that's what they want to call it, that's their business. It works for them. I don't believe it's punishment if the sub derives pleasure from the act, or the aftereffects of the act. I've administered discipline. I define it as something which has a corrective influence on the person being disciplined, and something from which they can derive no pleasure. It needn't be physical. You know they say it's always the quiet ones you have to watch? That's me. | ||
| 5 Mar 10, 6:33 PM sodsta UK, 5 yrs |
When it's an elephant...? o_0 Froufrou - kinky hand-made tutus. | ||
| 5 Mar 10, 6:40 PM Lord_Gobbimort 6 yrs |
Or a jar | ||
| 5 Mar 10, 6:59 PM SirDreadly UK(CF), 5 yrs |
"When is a punishment not a punishment?"
When more than one person is grinning. But even then, there may be more than one punisher... ----- Could this be a simple confusing of Corporal Punishment with punishments? The former being an entire school of thinking/activities and has the word punishment in the title but is the bread and butter for many and is not regarded the same as the latter, which is a reaction to a misdeed or slippage of some sort in the s-types behaviour/attitude and would constitute a deviation from the norm, (ideally).
I'm not primarily CP-orientated so forgive me if my description doesn't quite fit. Regards, M. P.S. I'm deliberately ignoring 'funishments, (nice term btw), so as not to further confuse the issue. Enjoyer of Niche Pleasures. |
