This thread is a continuation of "wtf???"
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| 4 Mar 10, 7:31 PM Sorceror UK(HU), 8 yrs  |
Interesting last paragraph. I wonder how many of the people on site practise, particularly alone, the sort of activities that may have been responsible for the presenter's death. Furthermore if he'd sought advice here before doing whatever he did would the majority, even a large majority, of replies have counselled against it ? If so did he die because of "our" activities ? S.x.
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| 4 Mar 10, 10:15 PM go4it UK, 8 yrs |
Echoes of that Yorkshire case here, and probably not just the media collaboration then running the story prominently [for which trespass and privacy invasions there are case law precedents to support, regrettably - as t_432 alluded to on the original thread; any legal beagles with access to the right databases, chapter & verse would be welcome]. Whilst the three arrestees were "helping the police with their enquiries" the police would also have searched the private property in which they lived and seized any cash they could find, under the proceeds of crime provisions as potential gains from illegal activities. They would also have impounded all computers and similar kit, for later forensic examination. Then all this and the witness statements [which, to my surprise, the police are not obliged to provide copies to the signatory unless and until they are actually charged, so I do hope they remembered what they said] plus probably further interviews when reporting bail, will be combed through to find any chargeable offence[s]. Sex, bodily harm, illegal images, uncertified dvd's, unlicensed sale of R18, etc etc. Trying to turn the witnesses against each other. Very significant mental strain. The police will be happy to leave them twisting in the wind, as a lesson. To all of us. Then, if all they are left with is BDSM, in about nine months time the authorities will likely decide to take No Further Action. Someone at the CPS perhaps remembered that High Court Judge who recently said such consensual private activities should not be a matter for the courts. In the Yorkshire case there was clearly no conventional sex going on. We don't know enough about Lee Mill yet but it looks to be very similar. The previous perpetrators were well known and well liked on the Scene. Behind those scenes some resourceful people prepared to ensure if there were to be a test case establishing, for the first time ever in a couple of centuries since the relevant legislation first appeared, whether a jury today thinks pure play private consensual BDSM does indeed fall within the disorderly house provisions, then that case would be hard fought. Whether Lee Mill will become a test case probably won't be clear for months. [edited to remove excess mills] Edited 6 Mar 10, 8:26 PM by go4it | |
| 5 Mar 10, 1:14 PM Ethics_Gradient UK(N), 5 yrs  |
Devon and cornwall police appear to have some serious issues with sexual minorities. Google is your friend. And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword! | |
| 5 Mar 10, 1:43 PM rubberduckay UK(B), 2 yrs |
It's probably because of the elections that this has happened, and probably instigated by someone who doesn't want to get caught there, and is probably now getting his backside whipped in another dungeon and probably at the taxpayers expense. On top of that it takes the focus off "persecuting Johnny Foreigner" as these politician types are complete hypocrites who want to "stamp out terrorism" one minute but still get the ethnic vote and thus have to pick on the kinky to ensure they still get to spend our tax money on that 3rd house, big car, a sandwich that they simply cannot afford on their oh so draconian wage and bonuses and of course those dungeon visits that they'll surely applaud the police in getting rid of to get the family vote too. Not that I have a dim view of politicians.... It probably isn't really down to the police even though it was them that raided the place, I'm sure they have better things to worry about than people doing BDSM, like people shoplifting from that Tesco in that oh-so-nice area. Edited 5 Mar 10, 1:46 PM by rubberduckay | |
| 5 Mar 10, 2:54 PM Tanos  UK(M), 14 yrs   |
A "disorderly house" is no longer illegal (ie the old 1751 act was repealed years ago.) So it's now whether it's a brothel or not, and whether one of the three was "controlling a prostitute". Regards, Tanos Edited 6 Mar 10, 10:10 PM by Tanos | |
| 5 Mar 10, 4:30 PM SirOpenSource UK(E), 6 yrs   |
'The first officer who approached the home was wearing a suit and tie and when he knocked on the door we believe they thought he had an appointment.' ********************
Makes one wonder how many times previously the same officer knocked on the door and 'Thought he had an appointment' SOS I believe in equality for everyone, except reporters and photographers. - Mahatma Gandhi | |
| 5 Mar 10, 7:03 PM Londonista UK(E), 2 yrs |
I don't know whether anyone has mentioned this but it is actually illegal to run a business out of a rented property without the landlord's consent. The clause is built in to any standard tenancy contract. The Police's confiscation seems extreme though, I'm not sure what they'll give as their reasons. | |
| 5 Mar 10, 7:08 PM Tanos UK(M), 14 yrs |
Breaching the tenancy agreement is just a civil matter, and not something the police have any business (or realistically, interest in) interferring with. Regards Tanos
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| 6 Mar 10, 2:56 AM CruelLadyScorpio UK(EH), 10 yrs |
Quite. I don't see why this is a 'bdsm scene being victimised' thing, or why anyone should be tub-thumping. The D&C police are one of the more liberal outfits, and generally, the police would much rather be getting on with important stuff (ibid), as a lot of them, and half of the judiciary, are kinky tinkers. But when *two* dozy bints open a pro-dungeon under a private tenancy, in a quiet village, one really thinks they deserve to be nicked, for being so darn daft. One pro domme could get away with it, but two are gonna generate some serious traffic, and the neighbours are going to get restless. The polis are *obliged* to investigate in such circumstances, and you can't blame 'em for making political capital out of it - it's the way the world works, and naivety is no defence. Our only *bad press* in this instance has been generated by something we all know; that although most of us have the sense to take advice before such endeavours on choice of location and so forth, sometimes even bdsm people are titanically stupid when they think they can make a fast buck. Cru x | |
| 6 Mar 10, 3:07 AM MidKnight UK(N), 7 yrs |
I like the bit that said: "It's fair to say we were not expecting to find a masochistic dungeon in sleepy Lee Mill" A masochistic dungeon? If it's on the ground floor maybe it even tops from the bottom. Has anyone ever met a sadistic dungeon? Are they generally more frightening? MidKnight "When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free" Charles Evans Hughes |
