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How do you ensure your own safety? (47)

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3 Mar 10, 3:00 PM
lisal
8 yrs
Mistress_sultrybelle wrote:
I have'nt heard of anyone being attacked but I don't know alot of mistresses.

Nor have I and I have been around the PD scene for quite a while and know a few subs and dommes (a small minority in the great scheme of things, though). Having said that I'd have thought if something like that had happened it would have got round the grapevine

I used to session regularly over quite a long period of time with a lady (long retired) who worked on her own - mainly because she and maids just didn't get on

:) :)

I got quite friendly with her and she said, even though she was alone, she'd only ever had trouble with one client who she had to talk down when he became aggressive

I'm not saying that this is how PDs should work - as I've said many times PDs know their business very well - just relating a story told to me

3 Mar 10, 3:11 PM
Lady_Anna_Bradford
UK(BD), 5 yrs

Mistress_sultrybelle wrote:
If you work from a professional dungeon then their are usually other mistresses there. But I guess its like any job where you interact with the public, their are risks. I have'nt heard of anyone being attacked but I don't know alot of mistresses.

Unfortunately, in this country, if you work in a multi-domme establishment you risk being raided by the police and prosecuted under our antiquated sex laws. Independent Mistresses are more discreet simply because they have less clients so less parking issues, less footfall, less for neighbours to get suspicious about. As with prostitution, our laws don't allow for our personal safety.

"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness
http://www.clips4sale.com/studio/26308 http://ladyannadominatrix.c4slive.com/ http://www.professionaldomination.co.uk

3 Mar 10, 5:19 PM
Mistress_sultrybelle
UK(G), 2 yrs
£
lisal wrote:
Mistress_sultrybelle wrote:
I have'nt heard of anyone being attacked but I don't know alot of mistresses.

Nor have I and I have been around the PD scene for quite a while and know a few subs and dommes (a small minority in the great scheme of things, though). Having said that I'd have thought if something like that had happened it would have got round the grapevine

I used to session regularly over quite a long period of time with a lady (long retired) who worked on her own - mainly because she and maids just didn't get on

:) :)

I got quite friendly with her and she said, even though she was alone, she'd only ever had trouble with one client who she had to talk down when he became aggressive

I'm not saying that this is how PDs should work - as I've said many times PDs know their business very well - just relating a story told to me

I dont know if Id work on my own at home, it seems a bit risky.

www.glasgowdominatrix.co.uk

3 Mar 10, 5:26 PM
Mistress_sultrybelle
UK(G), 2 yrs
£
Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:
Mistress_sultrybelle wrote:
If you work from a professional dungeon then their are usually other mistresses there. But I guess its like any job where you interact with the public, their are risks. I have'nt heard of anyone being attacked but I don't know alot of mistresses.

Unfortunately, in this country, if you work in a multi-domme establishment you risk being raided by the police and prosecuted under our antiquated sex laws. Independent Mistresses are more discreet simply because they have less clients so less parking issues, less footfall, less for neighbours to get suspicious about. As with prostitution, our laws don't allow for our personal safety.

But if they raided a dungeon and nothing illegal was going on then what could they do? You seem to know alot regarding the legalities of bdsm etc.

www.glasgowdominatrix.co.uk

3 Mar 10, 5:32 PM
Mistress_Susannah
UK(SE), 6 yrs
£
Mistress_sultrybelle wrote:
Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:
Mistress_sultrybelle wrote:
If you work from a professional dungeon then their are usually other mistresses there. But I guess its like any job where you interact with the public, their are risks. I have'nt heard of anyone being attacked but I don't know alot of mistresses.

Unfortunately, in this country, if you work in a multi-domme establishment you risk being raided by the police and prosecuted under our antiquated sex laws. Independent Mistresses are more discreet simply because they have less clients so less parking issues, less footfall, less for neighbours to get suspicious about. As with prostitution, our laws don't allow for our personal safety.

But if they raided a dungeon and nothing illegal was going on then what could they do? You seem to know alot regarding the legalities of bdsm etc.

They could arrest you all for running a brothel. Just because there isn't traditional prostitution on offer doesn't mean you're all exempt.... although I appreciate the laws in Scotland maybe different to those in England.

It's our job to know the legalities of this.

www.mistresssusannah.co.uk
www.professionaldomination.co.uk

3 Mar 10, 5:34 PM
dominalush
UK(RG), 5 yrs
My 24/7 houseboy opens the door to My clients with a baseball bat in hand lol.Never had a problem yet!and I totally agree about being selective in who you see.I think most Mistresses develop quite a finely tuned "creep-dar"and prospective clients emails usually give them away if they are stalker/dangerous types.

to give pain is my pleasure......

3 Mar 10, 5:50 PM
lisal
8 yrs
Mistress_sultrybelle wrote:
I dont know if Id work on my own at home, it seems a bit risky.

This lady was a bit of a "one off" anyway. As I said I wasn't suggesting it - just relating her experiences

My domme sessions on her own but that's because she's semi retired and only sees long term regulars who she knows and trusts which is a whole lot different to those who are advertising

4 Mar 10, 8:34 AM
MadameCaramel*
UK(E), 4 yrs
£

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/...

Prostitution in the UK is not illegal. That is, a person paying another for sex. However, your question phrased ?I would like to have girls providing sex for clients? means that you would be committing an offence of running a brothel. You are knowingly providing women for prostitution and benefiting from it.

The relevant legislation is the Sexual Offences Act 2003. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003/20030042.htm

Section 55 of the Act amended Section 33 of The Sexual Offences Act 1956 to create ?an offence for a person to keep, or to manage, or act or assist in the management of, a brothel to which people resort for practices involving prostitution (whether or not also for other practices).?

You would also possibly be committing offences under Sections 52 and 53.

Section 52 Causing or inciting prostitution for gain Section 53 Controlling prostitution for gain http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003/20030042.htm

These guidelines from the Crown Prosecution Authority provided this guidance.

?Keeping a brothel The Law

Section 33 Sexual Offences Act 1956

What constitutes a brothel is a matter of fact and degree. Most brothels are used for the purpose of prostitution. In the more unusual circumstances where no payment is made for sexual services, you should consult the relevant case law.

Brothel keepers should normally be prosecuted, especially if they are making money out of the enterprise.

You have greater discretion in charging those who have assisted, such as receptionists. If the assistance is crucial to the operation of the brothel or the receptionist has been involved for a long period of time, a prosecution will normally be appropriate. If the assistance is minor or over a short period of time, a prosecution may not automatically result.? http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section12/chapter_d....

The Terrance Higgins Trust has a web site on advice for sex workers. Some parts of it deals with Brothels., You may wish to read it.

?What the prosecution has to prove (i) That the premises you are working in classify as a brothel and (ii) that you were aware of this and (iii) that you were keeping, managing or assisting in its management.? http://www.sw5.info/morelaw.htm#brothels

I am not permitted by the terms of Google Answers to advise you how to get around this problem.

To open a massage parlour you may need a licence. You would have to speak to the local council where you intend opening it. For instance, London and Birmingham councils issue Special Treatments Licences. You have to complete a long application form and provided full details of yourself and who will be working there and their qualifications. The forms can be found on the links below. Councils will not grant a licence for sex services.

You will also probably need Planning Permission. Again this depends on the local council. You are altering the use of the building, and there are factors such as noise, location (is it in a residential area), and other factors.

Your premises will be subject to regular health and safety inspections as they are a workplace. Health and Safety Executive web site. http://www.hse.gov.uk/

BIRMINGHAM CITY COUNCIL ACT 1990 Special Treatments Licence http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/GenerateContent?CON... Application form http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/GenerateContent?CON...

London Local Authorities Act 1990. Part II. Southwark Council http://www.southwark.gov.uk/BusinessCentre/Licen...

Leicester Council discussion document on planning for massage parlours. Class A1 (shops) of the Town and Country Planning (Use Classes) Order 1987. http://www.leicester.gov.uk/endev/spg/Sauna.pdf

Stoke council discussion document on massage parlours. ?Massage parlours operate legally when sex services are not offered. Where sex services are offered, offences of keeping a brothel or living off immoral earnings may make the operation illegal.? http://stoke.gov.uk/ccm/cms-service/stream/asset...

Edited 4 Mar 10, 8:36 AM by MadameCaramel

4 Mar 10, 9:23 AM
Lady_Anna_Bradford
UK(BD), 5 yrs

^^^^^^^^off topic Mistress Google

The thread is about PD personal safety, not running massage parlours.

"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness
http://www.clips4sale.com/studio/26308 http://ladyannadominatrix.c4slive.com/ http://www.professionaldomination.co.uk

4 Mar 10, 9:48 AM
Ms_Tytania_London
3 yrs
redgerbil wrote:
Generally speaking my guess is that professional domination is safer for both partners than lifestyle relationships where quite often little background is known.

Well, no. The balance is far from even:

When you contact a PD, you have her website, which is registered to a real name address. You also have a real address for her premises. We could be easily be tracked down if we are up to some mischief.

When a client contacts a PD, all she has is a mobile umber that could be an unregistered SIM card he bought for 99 p,; a fake first name; an email address that is often on hotmail... very hard to track down.

So this is the reason why we have security measures in place, but we aren't going to discuss them in an open forum. I think it's understandable.

Behold my updated website , worms!
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