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| 27 Feb 10, 1:31 AM DancesWithPussycats UK(TW), 7 yrs   |
And exactly what the situation would be if God were an all powerful creator, because any flaws in his creation would prove him not to be omniscient and omnipotent, and sin would surely be considered a flaw. But all this is moot, since we are discussing a mythological figure and not a real one. International man of mystery | ||
| 27 Feb 10, 1:39 AM DancesWithPussycats UK(TW), 7 yrs |
Someone has just pointed out a valid and significant flaw in my argument (not EM of course). God CAN be omniscient and omnipotent, he just can't be all good AND omniscient and omnipotent. Thus he can play cat and mouse with humans, placing them in situations where he knows they will fail to meet his exacting standards, and then punishing them eternally for that failure. International man of mystery | ||
| 27 Feb 10, 1:48 AM Romola UK, 7 yrs |
If the proposition is that God exists and is all good, omniscient and omnipotent, it has to fall down. If he is omnipotent and omniscient, he had a free choice in how perfect to make the humans. What could have been the motivation for any sort of god to create people in his own image but deliberately add on the capacity to fuck up? He must be a right cunt.
It's only a weblog | ||
| 27 Feb 10, 9:03 AM yoda_dog UK(HP), 6 yrs |
*personal POV* Destiny? No, Fate? Yes. We have free will to do as we please, and deal with the consequences of our actions. However, there are things that are beyond our control (or anyone else's) and cannot be explained (at this moment in time), and I believe that these things may well happen for a reason we are not aware of at the time they occur. I do not believe in God, or any higher power that determines where I will end up, but I do believe some things are predetermined along the way. No, it's not logical, but it makes me happier.
As a slight aside, these things that have happened through my life so far, be they put on me by others or be they things that have just happened 'out of the blue', have made me the person that I am, and I'm fucking great
tldr: what doesn't kill you makes you fucking great "Bottom line: it's couples who are truly right for each other wade through the same crap as everybody else, but the big difference is they don't let it take them down. One of those two people will stand up and fight for that relationship every time." | ||
| 27 Feb 10, 9:07 AM spirifer UK, 6 yrs |
Possibly. But what would be the point in creating automatons, which weren't created in his image? He gave us free will, and we immediately chose to fuck up. I picture him more as the exasperated father of really obnoxious teenagers. The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - Pierre Trudeau | ||
| 27 Feb 10, 11:42 AM DancesWithPussycats UK(TW), 7 yrs |
If a perfect God created humans in his image, they too would be perfect and incapable of fucking up. If really obnoxious teenagers were created in the image of the father, the father too would be really obnoxious, because that is his image. If a father condemned his children to eternal damnation for being obnoxious, or condemned his children to miserable lives, slavery, disease, famine, war, etc., because some of them were obnoxious, he would not be a perfect father, he would be a complete cunt. International man of mystery | ||
| 27 Feb 10, 2:15 PM Romola UK, 7 yrs |
It's only a weblog | ||
| 27 Feb 10, 3:13 PM mq1965 UK(DA), 8 yrs |
I think we've done this argument before. | ||
| 28 Feb 10, 1:00 AM DancesWithPussycats UK(TW), 7 yrs |
Yes, but that doesn't mean it isn't still fun to tweak the nips of the deluded when given the opportunity. International man of mystery |
