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Calculating Punishment (10)

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Mon 8 Feb 10, 3:19 PM
OllieVW*
2 yrs
How do you do it?

Do you have a system? Do you consider what your partner/playmate etc.. dislikes or do you focus on what YOU like or both? Does the severity meet the crime, a sliding scale sort of thing, or is punishment punishment? Have you made previous agreements to act as a deterent and boundaries? or is that to calculated? Do you take into consideration the lifestyle choices of your partner i.e. submissive/masochistic/pet etc.? Does your style of punishment take the form of physical or phsycological?

Im sure we all look at punishmnet in different ways, some as a necessity some as an integral part of their relationship.

In a strange way i like punishmnet it works for me, not the actual act but the reasson behind it if that makes sense?

If im not punished (and normaly physicaly) i tend to think "ahh no big deal" where as if i am punished, one the act certainly hits home and then the guilt, the feeling that ive upset or let down Lima and myself ensures that the likelyhood of the act being repeated is slim.

Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me! Hit me! Je t'adore, ich liebe dich, Hit me! hit me! hit me! Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me slowly, hit me quick. Hit me! Hit me! Hit me!
Ian Dury & the Blockheads

8 Feb 10, 3:52 PM
Rhoobarb
UK(FK), 11 yrs
Punishment is punishment. Play is play. SM isn't punishment, it's the D/s bit that leads to that.

I have rules. They're rules we agreed on and they're rules that have stayed around a lot longer than they were originally intended to. But they come with the knowledge that if I breach them then I can expect some form of punishment to follow.

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8 Feb 10, 3:57 PM
OllieVW*
2 yrs
Rhoobarb wrote:
Punishment is punishment. Play is play. SM isn't punishment, it's the D/s bit that leads to that.

I have rules. They're rules we agreed on and they're rules that have stayed around a lot longer than they were originally intended to. But they come with the knowledge that if I breach them then I can expect some form of punishment to follow.

Interesting ive another thread running around in my head that relates to part of what you said but ill leave that for now.

Was there a reason Rhoobarb that you both made an agreement, was it just easier or was the planning an integral part. Does the "knowing what will happen" act as a deterent? :)x

Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me! Hit me! Je t'adore, ich liebe dich, Hit me! hit me! hit me! Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me slowly, hit me quick. Hit me! Hit me! Hit me!
Ian Dury & the Blockheads

8 Feb 10, 5:13 PM
bbound
UK(CF), 8 yrs

We read up on punishment in a D/s and domestic discipline relationship before embarking on our little system. Basically, I maintain a list of all failures to please my wife. It's on a spreadsheet and is available whenever she wants to see/use it. The misdemeanour is listed, then 2 columns for her to use. First is whether she deems it to be worthy of punishment (real pain) or what we call discipline (hurts, but not as much - and used mainly for warmup purposes). 2nd column is for her to write the number of strokes of the implement (usually cane, but can be crop or tawse). The lists are kept in a ringbinder, so she can see if the failure has cropped (sic) up before, so in need of greater reinforcement. Punishment hurts, but the reason I welcome it is that it clears the slate. After years of resentment in our marriage, this has brought us so much together. At first, my wife was reluctant to hurt me, but having seen the positive effect it has on my behaviour and our relationship, she is becoming more and more harsh. Having rambled on and on, I've forgotten the question....hope this goes some way towards an answer.
8 Feb 10, 5:44 PM
OllieVW*
2 yrs
bbound wrote:
We read up on punishment in a D/s and domestic discipline relationship before embarking on our little system. Basically, I maintain a list of all failures to please my wife. It's on a spreadsheet and is available whenever she wants to see/use it. The misdemeanour is listed, then 2 columns for her to use. First is whether she deems it to be worthy of punishment (real pain) or what we call discipline (hurts, but not as much - and used mainly for warmup purposes). 2nd column is for her to write the number of strokes of the implement (usually cane, but can be crop or tawse). The lists are kept in a ringbinder, so she can see if the failure has cropped (sic) up before, so in need of greater reinforcement. Punishment hurts, but the reason I welcome it is that it clears the slate. After years of resentment in our marriage, this has brought us so much together. At first, my wife was reluctant to hurt me, but having seen the positive effect it has on my behaviour and our relationship, she is becoming more and more harsh. Having rambled on and on, I've forgotten the question....hope this goes some way towards an answer.

Hi bbound,

This is exactly what my thread was hoping for so thanks for taking the time to share your process.

Can i ask do you spend time afterwards to discuss whats happened i.e. reasons the punishment took place or is this obvious to you before the punishment.

Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me! Hit me! Je t'adore, ich liebe dich, Hit me! hit me! hit me! Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me slowly, hit me quick. Hit me! Hit me! Hit me!
Ian Dury & the Blockheads

8 Feb 10, 7:08 PM
Belasarius
UK(M), 8 yrs



I don't set a tariff for a particular offence.

I just want to see genuine contrition, which sometimes takes tears and sometimes not.

Perhaps paradoxically, this can mean she gets more of a thwacking where she thinks there has been some justification for her actions or where the offence is trivial than if she has done something awfulz.

In the latter circumstances she is lilkely to be so upset by her actions that contrition comes forth almost immediately: Something trivial may take more effort

Patience is bitter - but its fruit is sweet.
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8 Feb 10, 8:16 PM
OllieVW*
2 yrs
Belasarius wrote:
I don't set a tariff for a particular offence.

I just want to see genuine contrition, which sometimes takes tears and sometimes not.

Perhaps paradoxically, this can mean she gets more of a thwacking where she thinks there has been some justification for her actions or where the offence is trivial than if she has done something awfulz.

In the latter circumstances she is lilkely to be so upset by her actions that contrition comes forth almost immediately: Something trivial may take more effort

Glad you posted on this Belasarius.

An interesting insight.

This is similar to what works for me. Not knowing what form or intensity is going to be used creates the fear factor that sticks with me from early childhood and throughout my life, it worked then and does now.

Do you communicate Belasarius with your partner why you feel the punishment was necessary? i ask this as others have a structured form i.e. written down and both parties i assume are aware. You dont so how does your partner know if they are in the right or wrong? do they have a say? or do they just take that you are right?

Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me! Hit me! Je t'adore, ich liebe dich, Hit me! hit me! hit me! Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me slowly, hit me quick. Hit me! Hit me! Hit me!
Ian Dury & the Blockheads

8 Feb 10, 9:34 PM
Belasarius
UK(M), 8 yrs



We do have a book. 8ut, this expresses the spirit and essence of our dynamic and does not contain detailed rules.

Punishment is infrequent because she wants to stay within the rules as much as I expect her to.

However, if she fails out of sight she usually (how would I know otherwise? :) ) confesses it and offers up her bum.

If the failure is one of poor temper then we usually agree to administer a stinging admonishment once the difficulty has been resolved (unless I use a spanking as dispute resolution - occasionally necessary).

Cheek that has become unfunny just gets an instant slap.

A really big and genuinely avoidable failure would be unlikely to attract corporal punishment. That would be too lenient on both of us. Time apart might be necessary - or the temporary removal of a privilege.

Am I always right. Of course not! And we discuss much to agree how we should both behave. But, once something is agreed, it is a useful convention that I am always right.

Patience is bitter - but its fruit is sweet.
Follow me on twitter: @belasarius99

Edited 8 Feb 10, 9:40 PM by Belasarius

9 Feb 10, 2:01 PM
bbound
UK(CF), 8 yrs

OllieVW wrote:
bbound wrote:
We read up on punishment in a D/s and domestic discipline relationship before embarking on our little system. Basically, I maintain a list of all failures to please my wife. It's on a spreadsheet and is available whenever she wants to see/use it. The misdemeanour is listed, then 2 columns for her to use. First is whether she deems it to be worthy of punishment (real pain) or what we call discipline (hurts, but not as much - and used mainly for warmup purposes). 2nd column is for her to write the number of strokes of the implement (usually cane, but can be crop or tawse). The lists are kept in a ringbinder, so she can see if the failure has cropped (sic) up before, so in need of greater reinforcement. Punishment hurts, but the reason I welcome it is that it clears the slate. After years of resentment in our marriage, this has brought us so much together. At first, my wife was reluctant to hurt me, but having seen the positive effect it has on my behaviour and our relationship, she is becoming more and more harsh. Having rambled on and on, I've forgotten the question....hope this goes some way towards an answer.

Hi bbound,

This is exactly what my thread was hoping for so thanks for taking the time to share your process.

Can i ask do you spend time afterwards to discuss whats happened i.e. reasons the punishment took place or is this obvious to you before the punishment.

I am either made to kneel before my wife, or am tied up, while she judges the failures and writes on the sheet. If I am punished over a kneeling stool, she places the list below my head, so I can see what I am being punished for and what I am receiving. If over the bed (me lying face down makes it easier for her), she will read out what I am getting and for what failure. This way, I am made aware of all the failures and the punishment she deems appropriate. There's no discussion about the amounts - nor does she seek my input. It is her punishment for what I save done wrong, simple as. Funnily enough, we have never yet discussed the punishment afterwards - as I said, the slate is cleared and we start again. Sometimes I am made to stand in a corner for a while, sometimes she has just walked out and left me, sometimes it's back into bondage - I've also been made to wank on my knees in front of her, for her amusement. Never know what's gonna happen.

9 Feb 10, 5:04 PM
OllieVW*
2 yrs
Belasarius wrote:
We do have a book. 8ut, this expresses the spirit and essence of our dynamic and does not contain detailed rules.

Punishment is infrequent because she wants to stay within the rules as much as I expect her to.

However, if she fails out of sight she usually (how would I know otherwise? :) ) confesses it and offers up her bum.

If the failure is one of poor temper then we usually agree to administer a stinging admonishment once the difficulty has been resolved (unless I use a spanking as dispute resolution - occasionally necessary).

Cheek that has become unfunny just gets an instant slap.

A really big and genuinely avoidable failure would be unlikely to attract corporal punishment. That would be too lenient on both of us. Time apart might be necessary - or the temporary removal of a privilege.

Am I always right. Of course not! And we discuss much to agree how we should both behave. But, once something is agreed, it is a useful convention that I am always right.

Appreciate you posting:)

Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me! Hit me! Je t'adore, ich liebe dich, Hit me! hit me! hit me! Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me slowly, hit me quick. Hit me! Hit me! Hit me!
Ian Dury & the Blockheads

9 Feb 10, 5:05 PM
OllieVW*
2 yrs
bbound wrote:
OllieVW wrote:
bbound wrote:
We read up on punishment in a D/s and domestic discipline relationship before embarking on our little system. Basically, I maintain a list of all failures to please my wife. It's on a spreadsheet and is available whenever she wants to see/use it. The misdemeanour is listed, then 2 columns for her to use. First is whether she deems it to be worthy of punishment (real pain) or what we call discipline (hurts, but not as much - and used mainly for warmup purposes). 2nd column is for her to write the number of strokes of the implement (usually cane, but can be crop or tawse). The lists are kept in a ringbinder, so she can see if the failure has cropped (sic) up before, so in need of greater reinforcement. Punishment hurts, but the reason I welcome it is that it clears the slate. After years of resentment in our marriage, this has brought us so much together. At first, my wife was reluctant to hurt me, but having seen the positive effect it has on my behaviour and our relationship, she is becoming more and more harsh. Having rambled on and on, I've forgotten the question....hope this goes some way towards an answer.

Hi bbound,

This is exactly what my thread was hoping for so thanks for taking the time to share your process.

Can i ask do you spend time afterwards to discuss whats happened i.e. reasons the punishment took place or is this obvious to you before the punishment.

I am either made to kneel before my wife, or am tied up, while she judges the failures and writes on the sheet. If I am punished over a kneeling stool, she places the list below my head, so I can see what I am being punished for and what I am receiving. If over the bed (me lying face down makes it easier for her), she will read out what I am getting and for what failure. This way, I am made aware of all the failures and the punishment she deems appropriate. There's no discussion about the amounts - nor does she seek my input. It is her punishment for what I save done wrong, simple as. Funnily enough, we have never yet discussed the punishment afterwards - as I said, the slate is cleared and we start again. Sometimes I am made to stand in a corner for a while, sometimes she has just walked out and left me, sometimes it's back into bondage - I've also been made to wank on my knees in front of her, for her amusement. Never know what's gonna happen.

Thanks bbound :)

Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me! Hit me! Je t'adore, ich liebe dich, Hit me! hit me! hit me! Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me slowly, hit me quick. Hit me! Hit me! Hit me!
Ian Dury & the Blockheads

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