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| Sun 7 Feb 10, 11:06 AM NightFox UK(CV), 2 yrs  |
Can Doms/Dommes actually have any respect for subs ? They can be manipulated, abused, disciplined, ignored etc. So is it possible that they can be respected ? NF | ||
| 7 Feb 10, 11:13 AM Mister_Chris UK(M), 2 yrs  |
I can see your point of view. But personally, I don't think I could have much interaction with a sub I don't have some respect for. Although I think that might be true for me in any relationship, vanilla, bdsm, business, friends, etc. I think the trust aspect of it all is needed in both directions, and it's the same for respect. | ||
| 7 Feb 10, 11:18 AM iaNIKKI 2 yrs |
Guess it depends on how wide your interpretation of "respect" is.? I "respect" my sub boy for being devoted and skilled in his obedience and attentiveness to Mistress. More importantly HE respects and enjoys his position and is very happy with that. Mistress Nikki | ||
| 7 Feb 10, 11:27 AM leSalaud UK(DG), 2 yrs |
Of course they do - they have a duty of care towards their sub, and respect is part and parcel of it. Und plötzlich, weißt Du : Es ist Zeit, etwas Neues zu beginnen und dem Zauber des Anfangs zu vertrauen | ||
| 7 Feb 10, 11:31 AM penwiggle UK(CB), 5 yrs  |
In my opinion, what you are describing is a doormat, not a sub. As a sub, if a Dom/me doesn't respect me then I won't go near them with a barge pole. What I'm giving them is a great gift. My trust, my body, my emotions, my well being, my safety, etc. etc. I wouldn't say I can be manipulated - I suppose in the looses sense of the word, yes. Although I would probably go more with the word controlled. Manipulation, to me, brings a sense of underhandedness, and that is not showing respect. If a Dom has to resort to manipulation, then they are not in control. I might be hit, controlled, disciplined, hurt; I might even have used the phrase 'used and abused' from time to time. But I don't see it as being 'abused' as in the vanilla sense of the word. If a relationship with a Dom became abusive, and I didn't feel I was respected, I'd end the relationship. Just because I am in a submissive role, and they are in a Dom/controlling role, doesn't mean either of us can disregard respecting the other. Respect isn't about power exchange. Pen You say Ouch like it's a bad word. | ||
| 7 Feb 10, 11:31 AM penwiggle UK(CB), 5 yrs |
You said that so much easier than I did. You say Ouch like it's a bad word. | ||
| 7 Feb 10, 11:44 AM steved14 UK(TW), 5 yrs |
Sorry Night Fox but you know nothing ! its all about respect on both sides | ||
| 7 Feb 10, 11:51 AM NightFox UK(CV), 2 yrs |
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| 7 Feb 10, 11:52 AM NightFox UK(CV), 2 yrs |
I put this in for debate, not as a personal perspective. I do not appreciate comments like that as you have no idea of how much, or how little I know. You seem quite willing to expound an opinion, but do not seem to have made the effort to explain what that opinion is based upon ? NF
Edited 7 Feb 10, 11:57 AM by NightFox | ||
| 7 Feb 10, 11:54 AM just_cassie UK(BN), 4 yrs |
Can submissives actually have any respect for Doms/Dommes? They manipulate them, abuse them, discipline and ignore them. How could they possibly be respected? D/s is a mutual "game" at whatever level you play it. I assume/hope the OP is being deliberately provocative... cassie x
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| 7 Feb 10, 11:58 AM NightFox UK(CV), 2 yrs |
Yes, it was meant to be provocative !  . steved14 did not seem to pick up on that !
Edited 7 Feb 10, 12:02 PM by NightFox |
