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Sub space without pain? (57)

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6 Feb 10, 6:03 PM
passion8
UK(SW), 3 yrs

T5Tart wrote:
yes its very possible

I have known subs go into subspace just from a few feet of rope applied in the right way :)

yes, that was me on Thursday night. Lots of rope and listenng intently to instructions being given to me (by a photographer) and I felt myself starting to go into subspace. I didn't even necessarily perceive the situation to be D/s but I recognised myself relaxing into the hands of someone I clearly trusted and respected for their skills - the very same way I feel with my Dom.

So no I certainly don't need pain but often it reinforces the power exchange and, for me, reinforces my trust of the Dom.

This is not just any scene, This is an S&M scene xx

6 Feb 10, 6:35 PM
T5Tart
UK(MK), 5 yrs

passion8 wrote:
T5Tart wrote:
yes its very possible

I have known subs go into subspace just from a few feet of rope applied in the right way :)

yes, that was me on Thursday night. Lots of rope and listenng intently to instructions being given to me (by a photographer) and I felt myself starting to go into subspace. I didn't even necessarily perceive the situation to be D/s but I recognised myself relaxing into the hands of someone I clearly trusted and respected for their skills - the very same way I feel with my Dom.

So no I certainly don't need pain but often it reinforces the power exchange and, for me, reinforces my trust of the Dom.

its a wonderful feeling both sides of the rope and a hard thing to find in intensity

"I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best." ~Marilyn Monroe.

6 Feb 10, 7:30 PM
Maximalion
UK(OX), 4 yrs

very interesting analysis!

trillium wrote:
You are quite right, when the effects are purely from receiving pain it should be termed 'masochist space' rather then subspace. However it depends on the relationship dynamic, as pain play for a submissive is an act of submitting to pain from their Dominant, for some it's a mix of submission and masochism.

For me subspace is received from any method that makes or gives a state of submission. It makes me feel dependant on external experience. There is a state of submission in which I feel comforted and secure, and there is a state that makes me feel fear and anticipation. In the state of fear and anticipation I'm anticipating something unpleasant, naturally pain is the first thing that comes to mind.

I find when I'm in a masochistic state it takes away from the feeling of fearful submission, I feel independent within myself yet I'm usually depending on an external source to implement the pain.

Going back to the state of submission in which I feel comforted and secure it's more about the mental perspective, external factors such as the dominants persona and aura and sensual stimulus influence this, but it is fundamentally internal in its development.

Lets now include the factor of 'good pain' and 'bad pain'. In the state of fear and anticipation, as has been said, the 'deep' desire is for 'bad pain'. However the pain can only be as (quickly onset) strong as the feeling of fearful submission (also the amount of masochistic desire) for the submissive to 'put up' with the pain. This is all a balance between the physical pain and the mental desire for it.

'Good pain' is sensation slowly built up in time with the body's natural pain response, so never becoming a strain on the metal limit for pain. This is the easiest way, for the bottom, to get into the state/space of 'not feeling pain', leaving them to drift to the most wonderful places in their mind.

When I'm in a masochistic state or I have a high level of fearful submission, I have a higher mental tolerance for pain so more 'bad pain' makes the 'masochist space' quicker to get to, but the 'place' to which I go maybe quite different from where I'd go with the 'good pain' or from being in a different state.

I'd like to explain the about 'places' I go and also the states of having a mix of masochism and submission, but I'm already loosing my train of thought ('blames my dyslexia'), does anyone want to explain in their view about this mix?

Also it would be nice to look into the states of dominance and sadism, but I've not come far enough on that path to get a good grasp of it yet.

I've brought the light of bdsm into our relationship and now i suffer the consecueces ... and the not-consecuences

6 Feb 10, 8:08 PM
ClassAct2005
UK(N), 7 yrs
I've felt this through certain people and words since I was a teenager. It's very hard to explain and it's nothing to do with pain and it's quite rare someone can make me feel like that but it's a lovely feeling when it happens.
6 Feb 10, 8:52 PM
ThePrincess
UK(SW), 5 yrs
When I'm in any situation that I find stressful but can't control, I can get weird, brief flashes of subspace. And I mean even the most humdrum of situations.

For example, sitting in a crowded waiting room at my GP surgery, not knowing how long I'm going to be waiting, surrounded by screaming kids. The stress and irritation builds up and then when I reach the point where I realise there's nothing I can do and I might as well just accept it, I get the most bizarre (and delicious) sensation of buzziness/floatiness/safety.

It's only a tiny taste of real subspace, but it's a very odd thing to get unexpectedly. Makes the day better, though!

TP

6 Feb 10, 9:10 PM
DominaFire
UK(RG), 2 yrs
I read this thread with interest. I am domme but for a while thought that I might be switch as I love pain. I was very confused as when pain was being administered I never ever felt submissive or that I wanted to please the other person at all. In fact he would see me looking at him and realise that at some point in the very near future he would be in trouble. He has been the only one to spank me using various implements) and he often bruised me and I would find myself going somewhere pleasant where the pain couldn't reach me? What is this head space called i wonder? As I am not sub nor do I ever feel in the slightest submissive......is this the same space that subs go to or somewhere different. Pain excites me and gives me a sexual thrill so how does this fit me being domme? i have yet to answer this.
6 Feb 10, 9:40 PM
littlenic
UK(KT), 5 yrs
QuietlyComfortable wrote:
Has anyone ever experienced sub space (or any other altered mental state) during submission without pain?

I'd say there's a couple of different types for me. One is when I go all floaty due to prolonged restrictive bondage - left to just be like that and I'll most likely experience a different mental state (and quite nice it is too).

Another is what I'd probably call subspace, and I find it much harder to pin down what might lead to that, but it's definitely that altered state of feeling very submissive, very humble. Oddly enough I had a dream this morning about a very simple submissive act that led to feeling this in the dream - and even when I woke the sensation was still there for a while.

The other state, the one caused by pain - I've maybe been there once or twice, so it's pretty damn rare, and not something I particularly ever expect or hope to achieve. Usually for me pain keeps me very grounded in the here and now rather than sending me off to la-la-land.

6 Feb 10, 9:56 PM
TheVisit
UK(GL), 2 yrs
Reading this thread just shows that there are as many takes on what submission is as there are submissives.

Lots new there then...

6 Feb 10, 10:43 PM
Scribbles
UK(RH), 4 yrs
ThePrincess wrote:
When I'm in any situation that I find stressful but can't control, I can get weird, brief flashes of subspace. And I mean even the most humdrum of situations.

For example, sitting in a crowded waiting room at my GP surgery, not knowing how long I'm going to be waiting, surrounded by screaming kids. The stress and irritation builds up and then when I reach the point where I realise there's nothing I can do and I might as well just accept it, I get the most bizarre (and delicious) sensation of buzziness/floatiness/safety.

It's only a tiny taste of real subspace, but it's a very odd thing to get unexpectedly. Makes the day better, though!

TP

I'd be curious to know whether you remember feeling this before encountering subspace in a more conventional way? I've not visited subspace myself but I find my memory plays strong and fascinating tricks on me in other ways with patterns of sensations and almost folds in time.

6 Feb 10, 10:48 PM
Diablos_patience
UK, 5 yrs
QuietlyComfortable wrote:
Sub space without pain?

Has anyone ever experienced sub space (or any other altered mental state) during submission without pain?

I can it there is a knife involved.... im out like a light and doesnt have to be any pain what so ever.

ETA:~ oh yeah and any form of really restrictive bondage.

~* Raku wa ku no tané; ku wa raku no tané. *~

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