Sub space without pain? (57)

It is called "sub space" rather than "masochist space". Why do so many of the comments relate to experiences felt during play rather than during any other submissive act?

The comments refering to achieving a mental state where one cannot feel pain, or feel disconnected from pain got me thinking in particular.

Has anyone ever experienced sub space (or any other altered mental state) during submission without pain?

I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts on this, particularly as I have recently had some strange experiences in this area and would be happy to chat about those if anybody wants to memo me.

Thanks!

But not the only one.

A good bit of rope bondage will send me off floating. The feel of the rope, the person applying it, the tightness, the smell, the helplessness.... All contributing factors without pain.

Also, very intense control. The type where the Dom has my full attention, and then some. I don't get quite so floaty, but am just as focused on the one event - The Dom - as I am on pain during pain play.

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You say Ouch like it's a bad word.

I would suspect that the spacey feeling masochists feel may be different to "sub-space"? if your not Submissive then how do you get sub space?

I have a friend who is a 24/7 slave and his Mistress puts him into sub space without any impact play prior to Needle Play. I guess its the dynamic between them both, her tone of voice, instruction, possibly him knowing how much she enjoys the type of play they are about to begin, the want to please and his own self-satisfaction from serving.

Good question looking forward to reading the replies.

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Only ever experienced this with one very intense person, way in the distant past, but still very vivid memories.

I think a possible answer may be in something that someone wrote on the Dom space thread that I started, about it being so similar to subspace and that maybe it was jsut the same thing (sorry I can't remember who it was). Having experienced this 'head space' from both sides I would concur that they are at least very similar perhaps differing a little in intensity and focus (but that's just my experience of it and other people's experiences will obviously be different).

I've also experienced this 'head space' during non impact play e.g. watersports and pallet wrap - those are the two that come to mind. I've done both of these things as both top and bottom and had very similar 'head space' as a result.

So, no I don't think it's necessarily to do with D & s or to do with S&M (although it may be one or the other or both for some people) but for me it seems to be about a heightened and very intense focus and heightened emotional state.

I think it's probably the case that it's been called 'sub' space as a general term used for the state as experienced by bottoms/people having things done to them as opposed to it being only related to submission. I mean, let's face it, bottom space just doesn't have the same ring to it

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Edited 6 Feb 10, 4:46 PM by lima_pink_tigress

lima_pink_tigress wrote: I think it's probably the case that it's been called 'sub' space as a general term used for the state as experienced by bottoms/people having things done to them as opposed to it being only related to submission. I mean, let's face it, bottom space just doesn't have the same ring to it

It does na have that Star Trek feel to it...

“We've just received a bottom space transmission, Captain”

A voice, used in a certain way, can send me into a similar space. Especially when used alongside lots of orgasms, I can be put in a place where I don't know up or down and feel almost like I am floating out of my head.

fear and lust bind me like rope I lose control as You take it from me

sophia_spankee wrote: If you have that special connection with someone, they don't even need to lay a finger on you and you can drift off into that magical place. The intensity of their voice and what they are saying to you can be enough. Of course many other things can send you spiralling, a slap accross the face always had that effect on me...amongst other things Only ever experienced this with one very intense person, way in the distant past, but still very vivid memories.

|I agree with this. Intense orgasm has me floating off into subspace and with a Master who can command me to cum even by text or on the phone and i do intense orgasm seems to happen quite a lot these days. But again rope being dragged over my body and tight bondage will do it as well as the painful stuff like flogging etc. In fact even the sound of Masters voice as he pulls my hair and looks into my eyes tend to do it as well.

"And the tigers come at night, with their voices soft as thunder " "A heart is not judged by how much it loves but by how much it is loved" Wizard of Oz to the Tinman You give little when you give of your possessions. It is when you give of yourself that you truly give Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet

I have known subs go into subspace just from a few feet of rope applied in the right way

"One day you'll ask me whats more important to me.. "me or your life?" I will answer my life...Then you'll walk away not knowing that you are my life..."

For me subspace is received from any method that makes or gives a state of submission. It makes me feel dependant on external experience. There is a state of submission in which I feel comforted and secure, and there is a state that makes me feel fear and anticipation. In the state of fear and anticipation I'm anticipating something unpleasant, naturally pain is the first thing that comes to mind.

I find when I'm in a masochistic state it takes away from the feeling of fearful submission, I feel independent within myself yet I'm usually depending on an external source to implement the pain.

Going back to the state of submission in which I feel comforted and secure it's more about the mental perspective, external factors such as the dominants persona and aura and sensual stimulus influence this, but it is fundamentally internal in its development.

Lets now include the factor of 'good pain' and 'bad pain'. In the state of fear and anticipation, as has been said, the 'deep' desire is for 'bad pain'. However the pain can only be as (quickly onset) strong as the feeling of fearful submission (also the amount of masochistic desire) for the submissive to 'put up' with the pain. This is all a balance between the physical pain and the mental desire for it.

'Good pain' is sensation slowly built up in time with the body's natural pain response, so never becoming a strain on the metal limit for pain. This is the easiest way, for the bottom, to get into the state/space of 'not feeling pain', leaving them to drift to the most wonderful places in their mind.

When I'm in a masochistic state or I have a high level of fearful submission, I have a higher mental tolerance for pain so more 'bad pain' makes the 'masochist space' quicker to get to, but the 'place' to which I go maybe quite different from where I'd go with the 'good pain' or from being in a different state.

I'd like to explain the about 'places' I go and also the states of having a mix of masochism and submission, but I'm already loosing my train of thought ('blames my dyslexia'), does anyone want to explain in their view about this mix?

Also it would be nice to look into the states of dominance and sadism, but I've not come far enough on that path to get a good grasp of it yet.

Symbols can never be what it is they represent.

Yep.

Things that are "painful" without justifcation don't really work with me...Hit me, and i'll stop at nothing to ensure you get the same in equal measure...eventually. Maybe not today, or tomorrow or next week...but eventually.

Ahem..

Anyway, I mostly submit through mental/psychological manipulation (or play) and have at times been reduced to a murmuring "thing" that does as it's told. If I'm allowed to, I'll be grinning the whole time otherwise it's internally.

That, plus asphyxiation play and i'm gone *gets all goosebumply*

there's animal play too...but i guess clawing, play fighting and biting (getting/giving) would be put under the "pain" category of getting into subspace.