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The Pope (16)

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6 Feb 10, 9:33 AM
proccie
UK(HP), 5 yrs

katie_may wrote:

proccie wrote:
In his mind he is doing good because the most important thing by far for him is the saving of souls. How those souls live their short squalid poverty stricken lives if of lesser consequence as long as their souls are saved.

Once you accept that the saving of souls is the most important thing, then everything that he has done is logical. The worst that one can say is that he is wrong in his original belief.

and i dont accept he is saving souls, he is covering up the wrongs, which is not saving anyone except his own arse and the arse of those who did such a grave wrong

i suspect there are too many of them and his fear is that should it all come out in the open the catholic faith would be filled with such shame that no one would follow it anymore

well thats just tough, they should have thought about that before they allowed these things to go on and on and on

it still does not bring down belief in God, it just means some men have got God completely wrong and use it to justify their own sick ends

God knows this and God will make this right, just as soon as men understand that it is men at fault and not God

the pope too will have a judgement day and unless he removes the sickness from that order i really don't fancy his chances, turning a blind eye will not save him or those who follow him

a true follower of God will question the wrongs of that order, anyone who follows blindly is just as guilty as those who perpetuate this crime against the innocent

Read what I wrote dear. I don't believe he is saving souls either, (obviously duh!). But I believe that he believes he is saving souls.

What makes you so certain that your beliefs are any more correct that his?

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6 Feb 10, 5:30 PM
katie_may
UK, 7 yrs

proccie wrote:

Read what I wrote dear. I don't believe he is saving souls either, (obviously duh!). But I believe that he believes he is saving souls.

What makes you so certain that your beliefs are any more correct that his?

i believe he knows he is trying to save his own backside and the backsides of his immediate preachers

i'm not questioning his beliefs, i'm questioning his actions, he is wrong to cover up what he is covering up therefore i refuse to look at what he believes, he has the power to stop all this and he refuses to use that power, why would i even take into consideration what he believes when he refuses again and again to do what is right

i dont compare my belief to anyones, i know God is there and i know God alone will help me make sense of what is right and what is wrong

show me something different xkx

7 Feb 10, 11:37 AM
Doghouse_Reilly
UK(MK), 6 yrs

Cpt_Rhett_Kroenen wrote:
If the facts and reality don't mean anything to you then why restrain yourself to accusing him of being a member of just the Nazi Party?

Why not accuse him of being a member of the SS as well, or the staff of Auschwitz or of Hitler's inner circle of advisors?

He was a Nazi. Like I said, maybe he didn't believe it. Maybe he had his fingers crossed when he swore his oaths of loyalty to the Fuhrer. Funnily enough after the Third Reich came crashing down it turned out that loads of people weren't really loyal to Hitler at all. Maybe a coincidence. I don't know.

Cpt_Rhett_Kroenen wrote:
And instead of simply accusing him of supporting policies which spread HIV how about pushing the bullshit boat out and saying that he invented HIV in a secret, underground, Vatican, laboratory staffed with robot Nazi scientists?

Nah, the Pope is explicitly pro-AIDS. This much is clear if you actually look at Vatican policy regarding sex and contraception. Not to mention the disinformation they put out on the subject.

Oh yeah, and there's the small matter of him being the head of a church that doesn't see fucking little boys up the arse as being worthy of the sack, or excommunication, or prison.

Then besides the stuff that's plain old evil there's the bigotry and idiocy of his general beliefs regarding women and homosexuals.

Not sure why you feel the need to apologise for the evil old fuck to be honest.

Regarding the whole visit to Britain I think it's quite notable that he's avoiding Ireland. Once a Catholic stronghold Ireland is rolling towards secularity with remarkable speed. Warms my heart.

If you can keep your head while all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, you might want to stop waving that axe around.

7 Feb 10, 3:01 PM
Conan_The_Librarian
UK(S), 3 yrs

Doghouse_Reilly wrote:

If Ratzinger had had Nazi sympathies he had plenty of opportunity and every motivation to join the Party and yet he didn't. The same goes for his family, especially his father whose career suffered because of opposition to the National Socialists.

Your argument that being conscripted into the German Armed Forces in the Second World War automatically makes you a 'Nazi' is puerile. This reasoning would make every war veteran of the Red Army a Stalinist and every British veteran a Monarchist

Doghouse_Reilly wrote:

Nah, the Pope is explicitly pro-AIDS. This much is clear if you actually look at Vatican policy regarding sex and contraception. Not to mention the disinformation they put out on the subject.

Oh yeah, and there's the small matter of him being the head of a church that doesn't see fucking little boys up the arse as being worthy of the sack, or excommunication, or prison.

Then besides the stuff that's plain old evil there's the bigotry and idiocy of his general beliefs regarding women and homosexuals.

Not sure why you feel the need to apologise for the evil old fuck to be honest.

Regarding the whole visit to Britain I think it's quite notable that he's avoiding Ireland. Once a Catholic stronghold Ireland is rolling towards secularity with remarkable speed. Warms my heart.

All points I agree with: on the HIV issue, the abuse scandal and the persecution of homosexuals, Ratzinger has demonstrated a murderous contempt for human life and an unreasoning commitment to ancient, irrational dogma.

All of which make Ratzinger a believing Roman Catholic, not a Nazi, a point which is important. Ratzinger needs to held account for what he is, which is bad enough, not what he isn't.

Frankly my dear I couldn't give an oblong flying fuck. Now, get all your shit together and fiddle-de-fuck-right-off my veranda.

8 Feb 10, 10:08 PM
spirifer
UK, 6 yrs

Doghouse_Reilly wrote:
Nah, the Pope is explicitly pro-AIDS.

Sorry to snip, but how so?

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9 Feb 10, 9:31 AM
Doghouse_Reilly
UK(MK), 6 yrs

spirifer wrote:

Doghouse_Reilly wrote:
Nah, the Pope is explicitly pro-AIDS.

Sorry to snip, but how so?

Science says, "Condoms prevent the spread of AIDS". Basing this view on science.

Vatican says, "Condoms do not prevent spread of AIDS". Basing this view on no science.

Vatican view given credibility by virtue of being all holy and stuff, church causes support it, view is supported by other sympathetic branches of Christianity, contraceptive use generally discouraged in nations where it might save millions of lives. Vatican policy in effect directly boosting the spread of, and thus lethality of, AIDS.

What proper humanitarians would do is look at the science and do their best to encourage people to stay safe, in accordance with the best knowledge available at the time.

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