3 Feb 10, 2:50 AM
NickiB
UK(BS), 2 yrs
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erosfurniture wrote:
As a company who are based both in Hungary and the UK I have a slightly different perspective on the report than those who are based further afield. firstly you must realise that in the main Hungary is a poor country where the average wage is well below the Uk for example a solicitor here would be earning about £600 per month, so the oppertunity for some one to pick up large amounts of cash for little or no work (as stated) is to say the least tempting for the economicaly chalenged locals, combine this with a probable lack of both education and worldly wisdom and the possibilitie for abuse are almost inevitable, Sadly for the girls they fell foul of this system and as a result have been seriously abused, by the less than careing film producers, I have to say that it is allways better to use professional BDSM models or actors in these productions as it does ultimatly protect both the film producers and the participants as both know full what they are getting.
AS for the way the police SWAT team carried out the raid, coment has been made to the carring of automatic wepons, this is infact the normal issue to this branch of our police force, these guys are a specialist team of officers and are all highly trained, and are used for raids where serious crimes are suspected or where as in this caace violence is suspected, the judicial system out her is of a very high standard and protection and fairness is built in for both sides, the investigation will take time out here but the results will be both fair and comprehensive.
The problems with this reported incident has a deeper message to send out to all of us in the bdsm community do we wish to buy films that have been made by abusive producers seeing inexperienced and ill informed people being abused or shall we say that this kind of abuse should not be tolerated, that has to be the question for us all, safe sane and consentual is a good place to start but please let us add "fully informed" to this mantra.
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Worth repeating again, I feel..
We don't have enough knowledge to make a proper judgement.
But, as an aside (and just to show boys don't have all the fun)  -
1. Most Glocks have at least two external safeties (one on the trigger, plus a cross trigger safety that slides up and down, from either side (down is safe).
2. UK Police firearms officers are, from my first-hand experience, not particularly well-trained. Last year there was a TV series showing the activities of SO19 (Met firearms units) in London. It was clearly visible that, whenever weapons were issued from the armoury, the ONLY officer who instinctively cleared the weapon he was handed was an ex-soldier; the team leader certainly didn't..
Nicki
Edited 3 Feb 10, 2:52 AM by NickiB
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3 Feb 10, 2:21 PM
skyfox
UK(EH), 4 yrs
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Jude_the_Obscene wrote:
fullysub wrote:
It might not be a coincidence that some of the strongest SM videos are shot in eastern Europe. Does that perhaps indicate a touch of desperation on the part of the actors?
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I think it gives grounds for concern that might be the case, at least. And I do question whether someone whose involvement in SM activity stems from desperate poverty can be said to have consented entirely freely. Economic coercion is still coercion.
That issue goes far wider than this specific case. It does seem to me that most activism around the issue of BDSM porn very much starts from the persective of the consumer and their right to get their rocks off. As opposed to focusing on issues like working conditions and unionisation of sex workers. That's the main reason I'm generally iffy on this kind of activism. Some of the stuff put out is a bit too Randian for me to be comfortable with it.
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Which is exactly why porn (SM or otherwise) should be legalised and regulated: so that the consumer can make an informed choice as to whether or not to support "shady" or "reputable" producers. The same argument can also be applied to prostitution and drugs.
However, it's hard to argue for a union when all the people who pay for, produce or star in such material are technically criminals. In the UK there are groups working for unionisation and improving the working conditions of prostitutes, but it's still an uphill battle. Would a group arguing for the unionisation of porn actors differ? Cart and horse, or chicken and egg? The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
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5 Feb 10, 4:26 AM
Jude_the_Obscene
UK(HD), 3 yrs
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skyfox wrote:
Which is exactly why porn (SM or otherwise) should be legalised and regulated: so that the consumer can make an informed choice as to whether or not to support "shady" or "reputable" producers. The same argument can also be applied to prostitution and drugs. |
I agree, aside from still being undecided whether legalisation or decriminalisation is the best measure, at least in the immediate term.
My concerns are twofold. Firstly, I think the focus of the debate on porn (and for that matter prostitution) needs to shift heavily towards the rights and conditions of sex workers, as opposed to the current tendency of many to see it as primarily an issue of possible repression of the customer. I'm not saying that's not important, simply that I don't think it's the primary issue here. Related to that, I think that the debate round this issue is currently far too polarised between two extremes. On one hand, we have those who are completely hostile to any normalisation of the sex industry and who only relate to sex workers as victims. At the other end, we have the 'sex work is liberation' brigade, who often seem to be pushing an ultra libertarian laissez-faire solution. I'd see both of those arguments as equally wrong, although I'm slightly more prone to focusing on the latter in BDSM circles, as it has more chance of gaining support.
The danger of not approaching this with a firm committment to the interest of sex workers can be seen in Nevada. There, the way that legalisation was gone about has given near total power to the brothel owners. If anything, the conditions for prostitutes are even worse then before.
| However, it's hard to argue for a union when all the people who pay for, produce or star in such material are technically criminals. In the UK there are groups working for unionisation and improving the working conditions of prostitutes, but it's still an uphill battle. Would a group arguing for the unionisation of porn actors differ? Cart and horse, or chicken and egg?
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It's absolutely an uphill battle, but I'd see the fight for unionisation of sex workers as going hand in hand with the fight for decriminalisation/legalisation.
At the moment, it seems that the unions that cover prostitutes also cover porn stars. The International Union of Sex Workers does some good work in the field. On a smaller, more radical scale, so do the Wobblies. There's a serious problem with the fact those unions seem not to be reaching the most vunerable sex workers, but there's no easy answer to that.
I'm off to see the Bootleg Beatles.
As the Bootleg Mark Chapman.
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5 Feb 10, 7:07 PM
keithunder
UK(M), 10 yrs
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This is a quote from Pedro one of the producers:
“During the [recent] photo shot for mood-art the studio was raided with a lot of policemen (commando stile), and all of us was arrested, handcuffed. We did not know why.”
“Only after keeping us in for 10-12 hours, were we told that a girl went into the police three days after the last ElitePain shooting, telling that she was not let to quit a scene, and was forced to do it (which is obviously not true).”
“The police does everything to find evidence against us, the media showed only [reports about] us for a couple of days. You can guess the comments of the vanillas. For exampe: When the police raided the studio, we were doing a photo set, where a girl was bound, and placed in a big box. The media showed the photo like we were holding there kidnapped girls in boxes.”
“This will be a very long process I think. And I don't think we will do anything like Mood in the future. So I think Mood Pictures is over.”
“That's what I can tell you at the moment. It will be good news for many [who don't like our videos], I think.”
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