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Does anybody know if the police are solely interested in persuing this single assault claim or is there something intrinsically illegal under Hungarian law about the filming operation they've uncovered.

Actually the whole question of using normal women for some of the caning videos gives rise to anonther curious question, how many people would, though I think that's best discussed in a separate thread as it will take this one a bit off topic (hint, gun discussion people, coughs).

Edited 1 Feb 10, 10:06 PM by Trussedworthy

I think it gives grounds for concern that might be the case, at least. And I do question whether someone whose involvement in SM activity stems from desperate poverty can be said to have consented entirely freely. Economic coercion is still coercion.

That issue goes far wider than this specific case. It does seem to me that most activism around the issue of BDSM porn very much starts from the persective of the consumer and their right to get their rocks off. As opposed to focusing on issues like working conditions and unionisation of sex workers. That's the main reason I'm generally iffy on this kind of activism. Some of the stuff put out is a bit too Randian for me to be comfortable with it.

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GDP Per Head

UK $43,734 Hungary $15,523 Ukraine $3,910 Burundi $138

I don't think that's entirely applicable in this case. Of course some of the advert respondants will be aspiring starlet actress / model types and there will always be a percentage of them that people will say are exploited in any case, but they are free to chose their own career.

In the introductory clip I saw, one of the dommes was recruiting normal girls off the street with offers of cash ($2000) to take part in a game where getting the wrong answer meant taking off a piece of clothing as a forfeit and the loser would receive 50 strokes of the cane.

As she explained to the surprised looks and quizically raised eyebrows, you won't get the money for nothing and some people like that too.

These were not impovererished women with no food or money that you might apply your criteria of desperate poverty to, they seemed to be random pretty, intelligent girls working as shop assistants, waiting at bus stops or just out shopping or walking along the street.

Someone mentioned a lawyer's pay in Hungary is about £600, I'm guessing a shop assistant or student's income is much less, so $2000 (roughly £1200) is a lot of money. The pretty Domme made the offer in quite an appealing way and obviously had a few takers, but you couldn't call it coercion, just an opportunity that was too good for some to refuse to make a quick (large) buck in an afternoon, albeit a painful one.

I'm guessing the standard of living for most is higher in the UK but do wonder how many would accept the offer here. Out of curiousity I think I'll pose this in a new thread.

here: http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/262815/0/...

I would however query the morality of any company that even consensually deliberately inflicted not insignificant injuries on employees who were solely motivated by financial reward. Filming some couple who are both heavily into the scene getting their rocks off may be one thing, filming some poor girl who is hating the experience and was only lured into participating by financial pressures may be quite another.

Failing to gain adequate informed consent would render what this company was doing seriously illegal just about everywhere.

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Edited 2 Feb 10, 12:09 AM by Sorceror

Of course you're right none of us are in a position to judge whether the complaints are justified. I wouldn't see this thread as any more than discussing a news item which is of interest, just as people did about Max Moseley or whatever.

I don't think anybody here would try to defend continuing the punishment when consent had been withdrawn, as has been alleged in this case, that's indefensible.

I imagine if the payment and punishment are fully explained and agreed to in advance that's informed consent, of course in many societies having consent is no legal defence for harming someone.

In some countries people get hands chopped off for stealing, get stoned to death for adultery, flogged for drinking alcohol or tortured for criticising the government so what people consider morally or legally wrong varies widely according to location and society. We're taught and conditioned to believe our way is right, likewise so are they.

Morality and the law aren't always obviously linked. That's a whole other can of worms. Whilst perhaps more legal is it any more moral to expect someone (who hates the experience, but must due to financial pressures) to work in a factory or dead end job for 8 hours a day for 40 years? Given the choice between these and poverty, some might prefer the afternoon's caning to a couple of months of factory work. I probably would too. Who are we to say?

Like I say, morality can be a can of worms.

Edited 2 Feb 10, 1:24 AM by Trussedworthy

Sirebel wrote: I can't imagine that a professional organisation would ignore a safe word. However, I might make payment of models subject to them meeting a minimum shoot requirement .

Did any one pick up on the safe word required to be used QUOTE "A sign had been previously agreed and they had promised that if she said the word they would stop the beating. According to the superintendent the sign was that she should say “Stop it, I beg you, my lord!” . However, she begged in vain, the producer took over thrashing her and the woman was beaten until she was bleeding."

Surley this is NOT a safe word, infact IMO this is a script to make the film even more realistic and dramatic.

To my knowlege a safe word should be some thing totaly different and totaly out of context from any action/scene/play that is being carried out as in RED, or Pickled Onions!

Again IMO This is a very cleaver trick for the producers to get some very realistic and marketable footage!

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Edited 2 Feb 10, 9:12 AM by MasterPhil_uk

MasterPhil_uk wrote: Sirebel wrote: I can't imagine that a professional organisation would ignore a safe word. However, I might make payment of models subject to them meeting a minimum shoot requirement . Did any one pick up on the safe word required to be used QUOTE "A sign had been previously agreed and they had promised that if she said the word they would stop the beating. According to the superintendent the sign was that she should say “Stop it, I beg you, my lord!” . However, she begged in vain, the producer took over thrashing her and the woman was beaten until she was bleeding." Surley this is NOT a safe word, infact IMO this is a script to make the film even more realistic and dramatic. To my knowlege a safe word should be some thing totaly different and totaly out of context from any action/scene/play that is being carried out as in RED, or Pickled Onions! Again IMO This is a very cleaver trick for the producers to get some very realistic and marketable footage!

As Sorceror mentioned there is insufficient information here to judge whether the complaints were justified so don't take this as defending them but what if..

that was indeed part of the script she was told to say as part of the filming (as sounds likely). Could the confusion, overload and shock to the system of the intense pain cause someone who may not be used to being caned or the concept of a safeword to mistakenly recall being told to say the "stop" line and not to remember something cryptic like fresh fish or pickled onions?

Of course it could have been a trick by the producers, but they had several websites with hundreds of clips, some featuring repeat performers which would suggest at least a modicum of professionalism.

I realise it's only hearsay/webspeak but I have heard of one instance of a safeword being ignored. Ludwig, the guest caner involved (allegedly) speaks of it in this thread:

http://adelehaze.com/sm-video-producer-in-hungar...

Edited 3 Feb 10, 1:24 AM by Trussedworthy

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