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Who exactly was shot? I didn't see that bit.

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They are an armed response team. Therefore they go in armed. Once everyone has been handcuffed, do you really think it would be viable for all those armed to then be replaced with unarmed officers, just to oversee the removal of those people?

As for 'don't point a gun at someone unless you intend to shoot them', the caveat 'as a last resort' should be added. Ask someone in the military about JSP 398A.

Pointing a weapon at someone DOES NOT mean you WILL shoot them.

"Bottom line: it's couples who are truly right for each other wade through the same crap as everybody else, but the big difference is they don't let it take them down. One of those two people will stand up and fight for that relationship every time."

I can understand all their servers being down if they were in the same building and seized in the raid but someone has also removed their material from an external commercial video sales site.

Edited 31 Jan 10, 11:49 PM by Trussedworthy

'Do not point a gun at somebody unless you intend to pull the trigger.'

'Do not pull the trigger unless you intend to kill them'

It is reasonable advice, I've witnessed more than a few accidental discharges on the range.

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Edited 1 Feb 10, 1:29 AM by BadWulf

Yes, however...

Please read my previous post.

Oh, and I'm sure you know it's called a negligent (not accidental) discharge if you've been on a military range.

"Bottom line: it's couples who are truly right for each other wade through the same crap as everybody else, but the big difference is they don't let it take them down. One of those two people will stand up and fight for that relationship every time."

Edited 1 Feb 10, 1:37 AM by yoda_dog

Manteau wrote: emark wrote: Can you tell that from looking at an image? If someone's pointing a gun at them, I'd say it looks like their life is being threatened - that's all that counts when people demonise or criminalise images Oh please... Scenario: YOU are a police commander, YOU have to make a tactical decision that could result in your officers facing unknown adversaries carrying wepons, possibly ones that go bang at one end...What would YOU do? Knock on the door and ask if they could have a word at their earliest convenience? It was mentioned there was 'security'...I'm gussing not the local Girl Guides. So yes...If it was me, I'd make sure my gang had the advantage. Remember, they raided it on the basis of an alleged serious assault inflicted by several people, not a few dodgy DVD's. I would suggest if you have a problem with the tactics used you get onto the Hungarian Embassy and present a concise and comprehensive critique of the police tactics. It might not help your argument however to mention any interest in BDSM.

(And it is silly to suggest the only possibilities are "Knock on the door and ask if they could have a word at their earliest convenience" and point guns at unarmed people who are handcuffed.)

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Edited 1 Feb 10, 2:38 AM by emark

If you are holding a weapon, you will naturally point at those you are looking at, the way your body moves. However, that doesn't mean you have them 'in the aim', which I doubt these people have.

It's not 'you have to point it somewhere', it's that 'you have to have control of the weapon at all times'. Simply that the weapon barrel is directed towards them does not mean they are about to be shot, hence my initial point.

This problem was brought up many times in Northern Ireland, simply because the soldiers that were holding their weapons were also talking to people in their vehicles. Keeping control of your weapon when it is not in the aim is not wanting to shoot someone.

"Bottom line: it's couples who are truly right for each other wade through the same crap as everybody else, but the big difference is they don't let it take them down. One of those two people will stand up and fight for that relationship every time."

Edited 1 Feb 10, 2:48 AM by yoda_dog

As to what went on here, it's impossible for any of us to offer an informed view, cos none of us are informed. If they were whaling on an inexperienced or worse unsuspecting model then fuck them and the Trabant they rode in on, if they weren't, and were just victims of Crazy Bitch Syndrome (or CBS), as has happened to folks in the past, then sucks to be them and I hope they covered themselves.

With any sort of raid where data is evidence the plod have to go in quick, that means SWAT type bods, because they need to mash their way in before somebody can destroy a hard drive. This isn't some kind of anti BDSM brutality, it's just how they do.

If you can keep your head while all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, you might want to stop waving that axe around.