Elite Pain & Mood pictures closed down (55)

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Fri 29 Jan 10, 9:52 PM
Dimswitch3
UK, 3 yrs http://adelehaze.com/sm-video-producer-in-hungar...

29 Jan 10, 9:58 PM
somepreferkettles
UK, 9 mths
Not sure why this is under Activism, since they are being accused of a pretty serious offence.

30 Jan 10, 12:30 AM
MADAMECARAMEL
UK(E), 2 yrs
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Here is the video.....OMG
http://videa.hu/videok/hirek-politika/lebukott-s...
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30 Jan 10, 12:47 AM
Slavebinder
UK(CM), 4 yrs
Y! I have to say if the conditions of the contract were not followed by the producers then they need to be held to account.
Another problem is why a vanilla model went for an S&M shoot if she was unprepared for what would have been involved. Maybe she should have started off with a simple bondage shoot rather than S&M. Her modelling agency should probably be asked some questions too.
This doesn't forgive ignoring a safeword, however. Sets a very damaging precident for future situations. Not good.

30 Jan 10, 1:52 AM
emark
UK, 6 yrs
somepreferkettles wrote:
Not sure why this is under Activism, since they are being accused of a pretty serious offence.
"BDSM Rights and BDSM's image in the news, on TV etc." - even if it's something we all condemn, it's of interest and on-topic, AFAICS.
(Also the article alleges "If I decyphered it correctly, it looks like the producers can be prosecuted not only on the basis of this incident, but for any previous film they had made, as in Hungarian law consent isn’t a defence against an assault (?) charge. Therefore, modelling contracts aren’t an expression of consent" although I have no idea if this is true or not.)
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Edited 30 Jan 10, 1:55 AM by emark

30 Jan 10, 2:25 AM
Tovarich
UK, 4 yrs
Y!
I thought Mood used the 'casting film' system of releasing video of their participants having an informal try-out before appearing in a scripted shoot, so nobody appearing in a final vid doesn't know exactly what's involved?
Of course, a cynical person may suggest that was just a ruse by the producers to legally/morally cover themselves.....or an equal cynic may suggest that rather OTT armed raid indicates somebody on the local vice-squad hasn't been paid.
Tovarich is a combination of frothy comedy with bitter political undertones.- googlism

30 Jan 10, 8:45 AM
Jayed
UK(S), 6 yrs
Y!
I'm shocked that some of you are taking the report as a obviously true interpretation of the events and implicitly siding with the authorities here.
First, there may well be an exaggeration from the model's side, or, at the very least a one-sidedness to her story. That would be normal when prosecuting a case.
Second, the information released by the police, coupled with their determination to publicly shame the prosecuted (its obviously a police video), means the interpretation of events is likely to be constructed to make their raid seem like a public service. Again, this is normal procedure from state forces.
Third, the media are unlikely to be sympathetic to the film-makers. The story they construct from already skewed information, is directed at the same constituency we find our media direct their shock, horror, bdsm stories at: the supposedly nice normal hetero suburbanites whom they hope to incite to the kind of hypocritical moral outrage that ensures viewing figures.
How sad IC users can be so similarly incited.
I'd wait until we hear the other side of the story before passing judgement. And even if it doesn't excuse the film-makers treatment of her, it simply comes down to a question of assault. No need for the moral outrage.
jayed
Edited 30 Jan 10, 8:46 AM by Jayed

30 Jan 10, 9:09 AM
Dimswitch3
UK, 3 yrs
MADAMECARAMEL wrote:
Here is the video.....OMG
http://videa.hu/videok/hirek-politika/lebukott-s...
If you didn't know the context you'd have thought it was a bunch of terrorists they'd caught.
Also look around 1:30 into the clip - pointing a sub machine gun at people already handcuffed FFS!

30 Jan 10, 9:45 AM
Manteau
UK(S), 2 mths

Dimswitch3 wrote:
Also look around 1:30 into the clip - pointing a sub machine gun at people already handcuffed FFS!

Hmmm, Tactical armed response teams do that in other countries I think you'll find. I think a similar raid in the UK would be lower keyed UNLESS there was a real and present danger of being met with an armed defence or danger of to members of the public.
As has been mentioned it looks very much as if it is playing to the gallery (press), but it's too early to say yet what will transpire..Perhaps the woman has been caught in something she didn't consent to (Thinking it was simply a vanilla porn film or glamour shoot), or maybe she felt she didn't get paid enough? Reading the blurb though, it seems that whether she gave her consent or not, the accused could still face charges of assault.
Suffering becomes beautiful when anyone bears great Calamities with cheerfulness, not through insensibility but through greatness of mind. Aristotle

30 Jan 10, 9:55 AM
erosfurniture
UK, 7 mths
As a company who are based both in Hungary and the UK I have a slightly different perspective on the report than those who are based further afield. firstly you must realise that in the main Hungary is a poor country where the average wage is well below the Uk for example a solicitor here would be earning about �600 per month, so the oppertunity for some one to pick up large amounts of cash for little or no work (as stated) is to say the least tempting for the economicaly chalenged locals, combine this with a probable lack of both education and worldly wisdom and the possibilitie for abuse are almost inevitable, Sadly for the girls they fell foul of this system and as a result have been seriously abused, by the less than careing film producers, I have to say that it is allways better to use professional BDSM models or actors in these productions as it does ultimatly protect both the film producers and the participants as both know full what they are getting. AS for the way the police SWAT team carried out the raid, coment has been made to the carring of automatic wepons, this is infact the normal issue to this branch of our police force, these guys are a specialist team of officers and are all highly trained, and are used for raids where serious crimes are suspected or where as in this caace violence is suspected, the judicial system out her is of a very high standard and protection and fairness is built in for both sides, the investigation will take time out here but the results will be both fair and comprehensive. The problems with this reported incident has a deeper message to send out to all of us in the bdsm community do we wish to buy films that have been made by abusive producers seeing inexperienced and ill informed people being abused or shall we say that this kind of abuse should not be tolerated, that has to be the question for us all, safe sane and consentual is a good place to start but please let us add "fully informed" to this mantra.

30 Jan 10, 10:12 AM
Sirebel
UK(RG), 3 yrs

Manteau wrote:

Dimswitch3 wrote:
Also look around 1:30 into the clip - pointing a sub machine gun at people already handcuffed FFS!

Hmmm, Tactical armed response teams do that in other countries I think you'll find. I think a similar raid in the UK would be lower keyed UNLESS there was a real and present danger of being met with an armed defence or danger of to members of the public.
As has been mentioned it looks very much as if it is playing to the gallery (press), but it's too early to say yet what will transpire..Perhaps the woman has been caught in something she didn't consent to (Thinking it was simply a vanilla porn film or glamour shoot), or maybe she felt she didn't get paid enough? Reading the blurb though, it seems that whether she gave her consent or not, the accused could still face charges of assault.

It is hard not to point your gun at someone in those situations. You've got to point it somewhere and covering the targets is your job, handcuffs or not.
I think a video of our police raiding a similar establishment would look very similar. They might not used armed response but there is digital media to be recovered and therefore they would go in quickly and with force. Shooting video is standard for covering themselves from accusations of overzealousness as well as for playing to the press.
Personally, I think anyone that attended a mood pictures shoot should have at least watched some of their videos. They are hard core corporal punishment involving breaking the skin and prolonged abuse. If you can't take a significant amount of pain then you shouldn't even joke about getting involved.
Any producer making this kind of material has a duty to show new models the videos, explaining clearly that it is real and not a special effect, or letting them watch a shoot first. I can't imagine that a professional organisation would ignore a safe word. However, I might make payment of models subject to them meeting a minimum shoot requirement .
A case of mea maxima culpa on both sides if you ask me.

I don't know what's right and what's real any more

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