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| 24 Jan 10, 8:42 AM skadii UK(W), 5 yrs  |
She's never written a whole article on BDSM - for which I suppose we should all be thankful - but from this article I get the impression she's not feeling too inclusive towards us. In fact she thinks we have 'odd sexual habits' and doesn't want to be 'lumped in' with us. Not like her, obviously. She clearly doesn't make a living from her 'odd sexual habits.' Nonononono. *rolleyes*:
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| 24 Jan 10, 8:52 AM skadii UK(W), 5 yrs |
Controversial? What you describe is how people justify 'corrective rape.'
It's comments like that which make me see how Bindel et al justify their separatism. Bindel has a partner; I think we can assume she's 'getting some.' Her views are her views because she has a drawbridge attitude towards lesbian and gay activism, a position which I disagree with but recognise as a legitimate argument within feminist history, rapidly becoming discredited. Insinuating that she's a puppet of her own hormones rather than accepting that she can think for herself is such a tired old misogynist meme and seeing it trotted out by women makes me *ick*
She's a lesbian feminist writer. Which means she writes about lesbianism and feminism. | |||
| 24 Jan 10, 9:19 AM Glimmer 4 yrs  |
Of course one must be careful that any verbal ammunition fired does not end up being sent straight back with added barb. One must choose clipped, carefully crafted responses to her views and opinions and one must also ensure that emotions do not become so intense for one to become the protagonist of a 'slanging match'. Therefore to ensure that one doesn't play straight into her hands in such a way I propose the following statement to be read out by a nominated member of those representing IC at the event; "Fuck off donkey face!"
Yep, that ought to do it .....maybe I should think of something to write at the bottom of these posts......MY GOD! IT READS YOUR THOUGHTS!!! | |||
| 24 Jan 10, 9:44 AM Susan_Williams UK(CH), 3 yrs |
Yes, that should do it perfectly. Short, sharp, precise and to the point leaving no room for any misunderstanding of the sentiments felt. Susan Williams | |||
| 24 Jan 10, 10:10 AM BarbieSlutLoki UK(E), 6 yrs |
Saying things like "I for one do not wish to be lumped in with an ever-increasing list of folk defined by 'odd' sexual habits or characteristics" and "Men in dresses with birds'-nest hair chopping off their meat and two veg in order to enjoy the privileges of using the women's bog or snogging their same sex partner without fear of ridicule" might have offended the odd person along the line...
The first rule of Brat Club, we don't talk about Brat Club... | |||
| 24 Jan 10, 10:14 AM BarbieSlutLoki UK(E), 6 yrs |
And man hating, admit it she'd be first in the queue to have us gassed if she had her way
The first rule of Brat Club, we don't talk about Brat Club... Edited 24 Jan 10, 10:15 AM by BarbieSlutLoki | |||
| 24 Jan 10, 10:22 AM katie_may UK, 7 yrs |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jan/15/wh... my comment is no more stupid than this and a lot less dengerous she may have started out a feminist writier but she is going into ground i don't like and i know others don't like much either my insinuation of her puppetry to her horemoans and her lack of sexual activity is about as helpful as her comments re men and the insinuation that without prostitutes they would all go out and actually rape if she doesn't want any backlash, she really needs to stick to what she knows and start writing something of some use she goes too far! i dont give a toot if she doesnt want lumped in with others, they are just folk doing what they want to do, just like the rest of us, she is human doing what she wants to do... telling me that someone is tant amount to scum just by the way they dress is the outdated thinking telling me men are rapists, potential or otherwise, if they use prostitutes is bloody stupid! and well under what i expect of a good writer
show me something different xkx | |||
| 24 Jan 10, 11:21 AM verte UK(E), 8 yrs |
Erm, but the 'if there weren't prostitutes we'd all go raping' is the line plenty of men take in defense of prostitution ... I'm hardly a radfem, but I am nevertheless glad of their existence. Otherwise I'd probably believe the rubbish that status-quo-defending patriarchy-centric classic liberals spout that is by far and above the majority view... Like... 1. Prostitutes mainly really do enjoy what they do (I mean, look at Belle de Jour! She's clearly a stellar example of what the majority of sex workers' lives entail!) and even if there were other employment options that involved as little time and as much money they'd still be sex workers. 2. Ditto porn. 3. If women get raped because they were drugged/drunk it's 95% their responsibility. 4. Most rape allegations from women are lies. I wouldn't want to see her censored because at the very least she consistently challenges these beliefs and makes people question them, even though her means of doing so is pretty unhelpful. And besides, she's merely a columnist in the only left-progressive paper there is. It's not as though The Guardian has the circulation of The Daily Mail, which espouses and supports these views all the time, and shares her views on trans issues, sexual deviance, etc. Personally I think that's far, far more damaging to BDSM people than a single radfem columnist at The Guardian, so I agree with a poster above -- I'm not really sure why people are so much more happy to offer to lob bricks at her head than they would be at, say, Richard Littlejohn or the odious Liz Jones. "Well-behaved women rarely make history" Edited 24 Jan 10, 11:24 AM by verte | |||
| 24 Jan 10, 11:30 AM BarbieSlutLoki UK(E), 6 yrs |
Because she *should* know better, you kind of expect it in the mail The first rule of Brat Club, we don't talk about Brat Club... Edited 24 Jan 10, 2:07 PM by BarbieSlutLoki | |||
| 24 Jan 10, 11:57 AM katie_may UK, 7 yrs |
i don't want her censored either she is covering an issue that sore needs covered and theres not many reporters will do that, they sit on the fence and stay with safe subject, which gets sod all sorted but firstly if she is going to cover a subject she needs to do it properly from all angles secondly she needs to get off stuff that doesn't matter, i don't give a bugger how folk dress, and i don't care if she doesn't want lumped in with them, i don't particularly want to be lumped in with her, she doesn't stretch her mind far enough for my liking what i do want is good reporting, with facts, that is going to make a difference to the wrongs in this world, rape being one of them, prostitution, personally i'm not enamoured about, i'm a romantic, prostitution doesn't fit well with that, however thats a long step from men are rapists, and i refuse to take her thought without proper evidence, especially when she personally has 12 interviews to back it up and research, research for me is a very grey area, questions tend to be leading rather than open and it is subject to society conditioning, i would much sooner use research based on true feelings, this way we might actually get to the bottom of solving the problem what i do not want is weekly rants about how people dress or what they get up to in their private life
show me something different xkx |
More on topic I guess would be her views against porn (including supporting the "extreme porn" law) and sex work. Not sure if she's ever commented specifically on BDSM - anyone?
