Women - The Naturally Dominant Gender? Part 2 (94)

'A woman, without her man, is nothing.
A woman: without her, man is nothing'

People are disagreeing with each other on the Internet! And some of them even seem to have opinions!

I'm shocked and appalled, frankly. Why can't people stick to discussing the possible BDSM orientation of celebrities?

I'm off to see the Bootleg Beatles.
As the Bootleg Mark Chapman.

How far back do you want to look? Probably the first writer I am aware of advocating female superiority was Cornelius Agrippa (1486 – 1535) who was a German magician, occult writer, theologian, astrologer, and alchemist. Agrippa is best known for his 'Three Books Concerning Occult Philosophy'. However, before this in 1529 he published a work entitled 'Declamation on the Nobility and Preeminence of the Female Sex', a book pronouncing the theological and moral superiority of women.

My contention is that female supremacist writings fall into two categories. Firstly there is what I would call implicit female supremacist assumptions in much of the misandry in Feminist writing. Secondly, there are the smaller group of explicit Female Supremacists. The first group consists of a large body of misandristic writings by Radical Feminist writers. I contend this has fostered an intellectual climate where men are represented as universally oppressors, rapists , abusers and killers. Women are presented universally as victims of ongoing systematic oppression. Part of the agenda for 'patriarchy' to be destroyed is for women to replace men in positions of power. Deep concern is expressed when women are not equally represented in a particular occupation. There is typically no interest about the numerous occupations where women predominate. This literature all shares a collective myopia at any disadvantages that men or boys might might experience in our society today because this does not fit the preexisting assumption that all privilege is male. Beyond this misandry is the explicit writings stating the superiority of women and the need for a female supremacist Society or Gynocracy. The latter are more sparse I agree but nonetheless exist.

The first modern writer to advocate the superiority of women was Ashley Monagu in the book 'The Natural Superiority of Women'. It was originally published in 1952 but a revised edition came out in 1992. The book relies largely on biological evidence. Much of the research cited is refutable. Still, its an interesting work. The book probably served a useful purpose as one of the seminal works of Feminism challenging the sexism of its day. Oh the writer was a man by the way!

In terms of openly misandristic works within Radical Feminism lets take a look at just some of the numerous examples:

One of the most famous advocates of female superiority + female supremacy in the modern era was the American Radical Feminist Valerie Solanas (1936 – 1988) , best known for her attempted murder of Andy Warhol in 1968. She wrote the SCUM Manifesto (SCUM=Society For Cutting Up Men) which encouraged male gendercide and the creation of an all-female society.

You could be forgiven for assuming that this woman would be written off by other Feminists as an eccentric , mentally disturbed, misandrist. Not at all. The work is lauded in many Feminist study circles to this day. Many Radical Feminists continue to hold her work up in high esteem as visionary and deeply insightful. Here is link to the full work:

http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm

Note the uncritical praise of the work?

Here are some Radical Feminist quotes to give you a taste of what I mean:

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.

I recommend taking a look at her book "The Demon Lover" (NY: Norton & Co., 1989 Morgan. The book is quite open in its misandry.)

"I haven't the faintest notion what possible revolutionary role white hetero- sexual men could fulfill, since they are the very embodiment of reactionary- vested-interest-power. But then, I have great difficulty examining what men in general could possibly do about all this. In addition to doing the shitwork that women have been doing for generations, possibly not exist? No, I really don't mean that. Yes, I really do." -- Robin Morgan

"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire." -- Robin Morgan From her "The Demon Lover" (NY: Norton & Co., 1989 :

* p. 138-9: The phallic malady is epidemic and systemic... each individual male in the patriarchy is aware of his relative power in the scheme of things.... He knows that his actions are supported by the twin pillars of the State of man - the brotherhood ritual of political exigency and the brotherhood ritual of a sexual thrill in dominance. As a devotee of Thanatos, he is one with the practitioner of sado-masochistic "play" between "consenting adults," as he is one with the rapist.

Sexism is NOT the fault of women--kill your fathers, not your mothers". -- Robin Morgan

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo." -- Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto

"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex." -Valerie Solana, SCUM founder (Society for Cutting Up Men.)

You defend Andrea Dworkin as a misunderstood woman? Perhaps not surprising considering the vast number of misandristic and heterophobic statements she made.

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." -- Andrea Dworkin

"Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice." -- Andrea Dworkin

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin

Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman." -- Andrea Dworkin

"Q: People think you are very hostile to men. A: I am." -- Andrea Dworkin

"Men use the night to erase us." -- Andrea Dworkin

"The annihilation of a woman's personality, individuality, will, character, is prerequisite to male sexuality." -- Andrea Dworkin

"Men love death. In everything they make, they hollow out a central place for death, let its rancid smell contaminate every dimension of whatever still survives. Men especially love murder. In art they celebrate it, and in life they commit it. They embrace murder as if life without it would be devoid of passion, meaning, and action, as if murder were solace, stilling their sobs as they mourn the emptiness and alienation of their lives." -- Andrea Dworkin

"On the Left, on the Right, in the Middle; Authors, statesmen, thieves; so-called humanists and self-declared fascists; the adventurous and the contemplative, in every realm of male expression and action, violence is experienced and articulated as love and freedom." -- Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men Possessing Women.

Lets take a look at some more Feminist writers:

"The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist" -- Ti-Grace Atkinson

"Feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice." -- Ti-Grace Atkinson

"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression." -- Sheila Jeffrys

I think this is my all time favourite Radical Feminist quote!

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." -- Catherine MacKinnon (Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.)

"You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs."

"In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent." -- Catharine MacKinnon, quoted in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies.

"Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated." -- Catherine MacKinnon

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." -- Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future - If There Is One - Is Female.

"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference." -- Susan Griffin, Rape: The All-American Crime.

"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males." --Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001.

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience." - Catherine Comins

"If anyone is prosecuted for filing a false report, then victims of real attacks will be less likely to report them." - David Angier

My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don't even need to shrug. I simply don't care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don't matter." -- Marilyn French; The Woman's Room.

"All patriarchists exalt the home and family as sacred, demanding it remain inviolate from prying eyes. Men want privacy for their violations of women... All women learn in childhood that women as a sex are men's prey." -- Marilyn French-later, advisor to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French,

"The media treat male assaults on women like rape, beating, and murder of wives and female lovers, or male incest with children, as individual berrations...obscuring the fact that all male violence toward women is part of a concerted campaign." -- Marilyn French

These are the serious , academic Radical Feminist writers which presumably have influence.

I dont feel the climate of misandry and heterophobia I have described is unfair or unpresentative. I strongly recommend the book 'Heterophobia' by Daphne Patai. Patai devastatingly critiques the inherent misandry and heterophobia of these Radical Feminist writings. Its all the more powerful as she was previously a convinced Radical Feminist herself!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Heterophobia-Sexual-Hara...

I contend that this intellectual climate makes misandry and female supremacist assumptions more acceptable.

Let me give you a couple of trivial examples.

The BBC broadcasted a TV show in 2005 entitled 'Bring Your Husband to Heel'. The show involved wives secretly getting the Help of dog trainers to modify their husbands behaviour. Despite hundreds of complaints the series was judged by the Media watchdog as not sexist but just 'amusement'.

Trisha Goddard followed up the same idea and ran a programme looking at dog training techniques with men.

Ok its hardly the end of the world as we know but it confirms for me that a climate of misandry is socially acceptable.

I take your point that TV producers want to spice things up. However, in all honesty could you contemplate a programme going out the other way round. Imagine the BBC transmitting a show entitled 'Bring Your Bitch to Heel'. Never going to happen is it?

As for your notion that the Media is not gender biased I suggest you look a bit deeper. For example the BBC journalist a newsreader Michael Buerk asserted in a Radio Times interview in August 2005 that women producers increasingly dominated senior positions within the BBC, echoing the outburst the previous year by sacked former Director General, Alasdair Milne.

The implicit misandry of some contemporary Feminists is well demonstrated by Harriet Harman. Remember back in 2009, we had our Deputy Prime Minister Harriet Harman declaring that the biggest victims of the recession were women? Unfortunately, the actual research showed 2/3 of job losses were male. Presumably the EHRC (Equalities and Human Rights Commission is deeply concerned on its impact on men? Well no.

However, the Government's Equalities Office and Equalities and Human Rights Commission are never one to stop flogging a dead horse even when they know the facts don't stand up. Perish the thought that the Commission might one day say that x, y or z affected men more than women, that would be go against their Orwellian mantra '"Everyone is equal but some people are more equal than others."

Their latest report, even though clearly showing that male employment has fallen by 2.7% compared to 0.8% for women, does not say a jot about the plight of these men (and of course their wives or female partner), it just concentrates on the female angle even to the point of saying (page 26):

''Over the longer-term, the rise in women's employment is a clear triumph for women's greater autonomy at the expense of both discrimination and disadvantage. But recessions reduce autonomy by reducing the options available to some women and by forcing others into choices that they might not otherwise make. And recessions also render many women more vulnerable to both discrimination and disadvantage.''

Where is the evidence for this? Apparently in the USA 80% of job losses during the recession have been male. What happened to to "recessions reduce autonomy for men by reducing the options available"? Its yet another outstanding example of wilful denial of men as citizens that can be disadvantged.

Oh well no doubt the new Equalities bill set everything to rights...as long as your not a white, heterosexual, male of course.

Ok so by now you must be wondering (in the unlikely event you are stll reading!) what the hell has all this to do with a BDSM website? Good question! Even if I did ask it myself.

There is no doubt that some Pro-Dommes use Female Supremacist notions on their clients. However, its hard to be clear how many of them genuinely subscribe to this. The ideas clearly turn on lots of male subs with low self esteem and Pro-Dommes simply work on this. Still, there does seem signs that some Pro-Dommes take this ideas more seriously beyond the dungeon.

http://www.femalesupremacist.org/

One of the most intelligent and lucid writers on Female Supremacy today is an American woman called Sahara Eve. The fact that she is completely gorgeous does make her a more compelling ambassador for the cause! A fully fledged Female Supremacist and lifestyle Domme (Not a Pro-Domme) she is clearly convinced in her views that males are sub-human and that society should be organised accordingly. To her credit though she does at least present a reasoned case. I have been passed one of her articles but as it was for subscriber use only I dont want to infringe copyright. However, she is promising to set out a full article on her blog very soon answering what she regards as the the 'antithical' opinions on female supremacy soon. If your interested I suggest you keep an outlook there for her article. I will probably be responding to her there when the piece appears.

http://saharaheve.com/blog/

So is that it? Nope there is more? In terms of full writings setting out the Female Supremacist cause we simply cannot miss out the French female writer Aline Arbrant. Born in 1952, in Nantes.

Aline d'Arbrant was a member of the French Radical Feminist group Cercle d'Omphale Gynarchy French and Swiss Club, and is the author of the book 'The Gynarchy'. I think the book first came out in the late 1990's in French. Its subsequently been translated into English (badly!) and Italian. Aline d' Arbrant met up with Valerie Solanas after her release from Prison several times. That probably gives you a clue where her ideas go.

In her book 'The Gynarchy' Aline d' Arbrant sets out the philosophical case for Female Supremacy and some practical political suggestions on how it should operate. The work is in essence a Utopian vision (Dystopia?) advocating Female Supremacy. Its not a work of fiction. In addition Lesbians are seen as the vanguard of this movement. In her idealised world d'Arbrant advocates men losing all legal rights (exclusion from any public office, voting, property ownership and their enslavement). In this respect she is simply following Valerie Solanas in her proposals before the male gender can be exterminated through artificial reproduction methods. Under Males owned by Lesbians will be castrated while males that become ill or too old to to be of useful service to the state will be selectively 'eusthanised'. Its easy to write this off as wank material but I assure this woman seems totally serious! I see it as the Female Supremacist version on Mein Kampf. Aline d'Arbrant believes that submissive men can be recruited as 'auxillaries' in this movement to bring about the Gynarchy. She has observed the male submissive fantasies can be manipulated for a wider political movement. She therefore created a website Gynarchy International which involves Lesbians and submissive men 'submales'. The site is quite an eye opener! Talk about Turkeys voting for Christmas! Here we have a bizarre marriage of Lesbian Radical Feminism and male submissives. BDSM ideas are frequently referenced. Ok maybe they are just a bunch of nutters but they do exist. There are several hundred male members and a lot of women too.

http://www.gynarchy.org/

Check out the forums to see what I mean. I logged in as a 'Trojan horse' using the title Attis. I entered into a few discussions on 'men as dogs' and opened a thread on Gynarchy as Femifascism. However, there is no reasoning with these people. They are total fanatics. These men have totally brainwashed themselves that the Gynarchic society proposed will be a paradise since of course women will be ruling and owning them. Talk about your dick leading your brain!

A spin off website which seems to be looking at more varied models of a Gynarchy is the GynoSupremacy site. It appears mostly French membership.

http://gynosupremacy.net/

Ok so I hope that answers a few questions.

Finally, its been suggested that Female Supremacist merchandise all comes from Male Businessmen? Wrong.

Check this shop on Zazzle:

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/female_supremacy/gifts?c...

The owner calling herself MzBBW is an avowed Female Supremacist. She has written several booklets setting out the philosophy for Female Supremacy.

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/female_supremacy/gifts?c...

Here is her website:

http://sites.google.com/site/mzbbwfs/female-supr...

She does not appear to be a Pro-Domme. Her publications include FEST, Ma'am, Female Supremacist Dictionary etc.

Actually, it doesn't appear all that profound from the quotes I have read. Certainly not in the same league as Sahara Eve. Still its 'out there'.

I heard the criticism of my use of the term 'Femifascism'. I am not applying it to everyone. However, people like Aline d'Arbrant, Sahara Eve, MZBBW, and the ideas expressed on sites like Gynarchy International, GynoSupremacy and Female Supremacist do deserve that appelation in my opinion. These people advocate a kind of society where men are denied all democratic and human rights. I find these ideas as socially unacceptable and obnoxious as those of the BNP. Of course I am not suggesting this is a threat of anything like the same proportions. Despite the small numbers these people represent I feel they raise a particular challenge for the BDSM community in a way I hope the BNP do not.

The question I have is what attitude do readers here have to someone who says they are a Female Supremacist? If someone expressed these opinions at a Munch how would you react?

I suspect many sub males would be very turned on and the rational part of their brain would switch off. For that reason I hesitated giving links above as I fear this material could be really poisonous for some male submissives. However, ultimately I feel its better to expose these people rather than continue to ignore them.

These people are contemptuous of democratic society and what they call 'equalitarianism' and describe men as 'animals' , 'dogs', or 'sub-human'. I am not just talking about a play session! They favour a political system where men are effectively chattel and have no rights. Just another bunch of nutters right? Or just people working out their empowerment/disempowerment fantasies? I dont think so.

Although statistically small at present these attitudes are already present in the 'BDSM community'. They should be exposed and directly challenged as the bigots and extremists they are. Ever used the phrase 'female chauvanist pig'? Maybe its time you did.

Edited 7 Feb 10, 6:16 AM by Goddess_Magic

What kind of a thesis do you call that? You haven't even *attempted* to apply the Harvard Referencing System!

You're really going to have to up your game if you're hoping to have any credibility around here. This is not some second-rate ex-polytechnic: this is an argument on teh internetz!

Until some "social scientists" start publishing plenty of hard numbers on the issue, I doubt we can reach a consensus. I am not holding my breath.

Having said that, here is my take.

The most important factor is social standing. The life of a female cleaner is closer to the life of a male construction worker than to the life of a city girl. An arrogant male professional, once he loses his job and his wife is the one paying for the mortgage, is likely to start changing nappies and cleaning the toilet.

Gender has some influence, but it is more about social inertia (i.e. real and TV role models that are slow to change) then biology.

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Edited 8 Feb 10, 1:15 AM by Goddess_Magic

Exactly! You're *not* equal to the level of debate carried out here. You didn't call anyone names, You didn't make any sweeping statements, you didn't post some pissed up ramblings about not being able to find anyone. Your post was reasoned and well thought out.

It's not what IC is about!

"Bottom line: it's couples who are truly right for each other wade through the same crap as everybody else, but the big difference is they don't let it take them down. One of those two people will stand up and fight for that relationship every time."

I am not a radical feminist. I am very submissive too and I think male and female brain chemistry does differ but not enough to explain why idiot women enable men not to be fair at home in terms of time over dull tasks etc, but I still think the planet has a long way to go before women get a fair deal. We can't even drive in Saudi.

As for whether women are naturally dominant - if they are they have done a very poor job of proving that in most cultures. I had my DNA analysed back to about 25,000 years ago. I'd have been in fur skins in the Caucasus mountains then. I wonder what family groupings I'd have lived amongst and who controlled whom.

I love men. I prefer them to women and I have never really known sexist men or lived with one. I think most men and women in the UK in relationships with children particularly where they both work full time tend to ensure a fair balance and division of tasks and that we are at a reasonable level in terms of equality at work and legislation although it is not really very long since the Equal pay Act. Only then did it become illegal to pay women different rates of pay for the same work I think. The new paternity leave rights for men will help too.

It tends only to be beta men who are unsure of themselves and their status who feel threatened by the thought of women being competent. They might want a woman with an IQ of 100 who can't hold down a job who thinks their pretty unsuccessful boyfriend is some kind of God.

I may be quite mistaken, but as I read it he was joking and, if anything, taking the piss out of those who were critiquing your original post.