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Women - The Naturally Dominant Gender? Part 2 (94)

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Tue 19 Jan 10, 11:08 PM
totallycoverme
UK(M), 4 yrs
Can't believe that I only just saw the original thread for this but it certainly sparked my interest.

I would say that men are the naturally dominant gender in terms of how nature made them physically bigger and thus the protectors/fighers/hunters.

I do think that women think more methodically a lot of the time and there is a power that comes with this but as a woman, I have always felt submissive towards men. That's not to say that I submit to all men (duh lol) but when in the company of a guy, I certainly look up to him (not a height thing) to make me feel protected at looked after at the very least.

I don't see how women can be the dominant gender when nature made men physically bigger and thus more able to dominate. I know consensual bdsm happens in the mind in a lot of cases but if I think of the nilla dynamics I know, it's nearly always the man who wears the trousers.

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice :)xx

19 Jan 10, 11:11 PM
Elysium
UK(EH), 5 yrs

totallycoverme wrote:
Women - The Naturally Dominant Gender? Part 2

Can't believe that I only just saw the original thread for this but it certainly sparked my interest.

I would say that men are the naturally dominant gender in terms of how nature made them physically bigger and thus the protectors/fighers/hunters.

I do think that women think more methodically a lot of the time and there is a power that comes with this but as a woman, I have always felt submissive towards men. That's not to say that I submit to all men (duh lol) but when in the company of a guy, I certainly look up to him (not a height thing) to make me feel protected at looked after at the very least.

I don't see how women can be the dominant gender when nature made men physically bigger and thus more able to dominate. I know consensual bdsm happens in the mind in a lot of cases but if I think of the nilla dynamics I know, it's nearly always the man who wears the trousers.

Did you grow up in 1950's rural Yorkshire?

19 Jan 10, 11:18 PM
CookieMonster
UK, 6 yrs
totallycoverme wrote:
Women - The Naturally Dominant Gender? Part 2

I would say that men are the naturally dominant gender in terms of how nature made them physically bigger and thus the protectors/fighers/hunters.

OK take that on face value, but now few men hunt, fightings illeagal the the protector role is very much diminished if not totally so what are men now? A sharks not much use in the desert.

BTW

Ive done all three of those definitions so am I a naturally dominant sub?

Veritatis simplex oratio est. Seneca, Roman Statesman Ca. 65 A.D. The language of truth is simple.

19 Jan 10, 11:22 PM
Diablos_patience
UK, 5 yrs
CookieMonster wrote:
OK take that on face value, but now few men hunt, fightings illeagal the the protector role is very much diminished if not totally so what are men now? A sharks not much use in the desert.

BTW

Ive done all three of those definitions so am I a naturally dominant sub?

True dat init blud... but that is beacuse the Ladies are doing the hunting these days ;-)

I agree im 100% natural born female submissive.... actually im far from it... i have anger management issues and im always ready for a fight.... maybe im actually a geezerbird?

~* Raku wa ku no tané; ku wa raku no tané. *~

19 Jan 10, 11:23 PM
subbietrouble
2 yrs
totallycoverme wrote:
as a woman, I have always felt submissive towards men. That's not to say that I submit to all men (duh lol) but when in the company of a guy, I certainly look up to him (not a height thing) to make me feel protected at looked after at the very least.

I don't see how women can be the dominant gender when nature made men physically bigger and thus more able to dominate.

I'm five foot tall - if your analysis is correct then almost everyone would be able to dominate me - including other women. Height varies wildly from one country to the next, from one century to the next, from one person to the next. According to you, European women should be more dominant than South-East Asian men, and tall women should never feel submissive.

Human dominance is more a product of personality and intellect - it's not a case of who's the biggest silverback, it's a case of who can build the fanciest tool. If human development was dependent on size, we'd have died out years ago, when the average man was even shorter than I am now.

trouble xxx

19 Jan 10, 11:35 PM
djin_bleu
UK(NW), 4 yrs


totallycoverme wrote:
I don't see how women can be the dominant gender when nature made men physically bigger and thus more able to dominate. I know consensual bdsm happens in the mind in a lot of cases but if I think of the nilla dynamics I know, it's nearly always the man who wears the trousers.

See this fine lady for living proof that women can be dominant over men (most men on earth if you are her!)

In all seriousness if you think about it, men and women can and have worked well together in history, the saying 'behind every great man there is a great woman' is almost true. I would not say 'behind' but beside and no i'm not saying this cos my owner would slowly have me skinned, she will do that regardless! No, a male may be physically bigger in most cases but strength and core dominance comes from deep within of which females have always been known to be greatly enriched with.

Who dictates when the couple are going shopping? Who is more thrifty with finances? Who plans holidays? Who controls the 'physically' stronger male? The female ofcourse, always has, she has power over sex no matter how vicious the male is, the female is the more aggressive of the species...again see here

*She who rides the Demon is afraid to dismount* ~* A hopeless dreamer she said, eyes of cloud and feet of lead *~

Edited 19 Jan 10, 11:36 PM by djin_bleu

19 Jan 10, 11:39 PM
ClassAct2005
UK(N), 7 yrs
Men are wonderful but I don't think we need all this who is most naturally XYZ. People are different. That's why life is interesting. Anyway today I can offer hope to the entire male sex (and indeed humankind) which we thought would die out with the weak male chromosome in 125,000 years and we'd have to freeze a lot of sperm to cope with that, but apparently it's changing - clever men.... they compared it to the Y ch of chimps so perhaps men have a future again.
19 Jan 10, 11:41 PM
Diablos_patience
UK, 5 yrs
djin_bleu wrote:
totallycoverme wrote:
I don't see how women can be the dominant gender when nature made men physically bigger and thus more able to dominate. I know consensual bdsm happens in the mind in a lot of cases but if I think of the nilla dynamics I know, it's nearly always the man who wears the trousers.

See this fine lady for living proof that women can be dominant over men (most men on earth if you are her!)

In all seriousness if you think about it, men and women can and have worked well together in history, the saying 'behind every great man there is a great woman' is almost true. I would not say 'behind' but beside and no i'm not saying this cos my owner would slowly have me skinned, she will do that regardless! No, a male may be physically bigger in most cases but strength and core dominance comes from deep within of which females have always been known to be greatly enriched with.

Who dictates when the couple are going shopping? Who is more thrifty with finances? Who plans holidays? Who controls the 'physically' stronger male? The female ofcourse, always has, she has power over sex no matter how vicious the male is, the female is the more aggressive of the species...again see here

=-o you bloody creep!

I personally wonder if its anything to do with socilisation... ive been raised around psycho men... some of its bound to rub off... in truth though i think women learn the fine art of malipulation from very young age... and men are easy pickings for the most part... ;-)

~* Raku wa ku no tané; ku wa raku no tané. *~

19 Jan 10, 11:43 PM
totallycoverme
UK(M), 4 yrs
Elysium wrote:
totallycoverme wrote:
Women - The Naturally Dominant Gender? Part 2

Can't believe that I only just saw the original thread for this but it certainly sparked my interest.

I would say that men are the naturally dominant gender in terms of how nature made them physically bigger and thus the protectors/fighers/hunters.

I do think that women think more methodically a lot of the time and there is a power that comes with this but as a woman, I have always felt submissive towards men. That's not to say that I submit to all men (duh lol) but when in the company of a guy, I certainly look up to him (not a height thing) to make me feel protected at looked after at the very least.

I don't see how women can be the dominant gender when nature made men physically bigger and thus more able to dominate. I know consensual bdsm happens in the mind in a lot of cases but if I think of the nilla dynamics I know, it's nearly always the man who wears the trousers.

Did you grow up in 1950's rural Yorkshire?

not geographically close to it but in terms of background yeah, I guess so. In my experience, there are a fair number of couples outside of Mf Ds who live like this. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but for what it's worth, I'm still trying to get my head round that whole concept of the "strong, independant woman". Don't get me wrong, there was a time in which I aspired to it when I passionately IDd as a lesbian but now that I can imagine my long term relationship being with a man, I can't really see scope for not being submissive to him.

My views are potentially objectionable for which I partially apologise in terms of how, I am still learning about sexuality and gender in a way that some of my views may be misinformed due to ignorance. I'll get back to yas on this one.

I'm not saying that a woman *can't* be a Domme. Of course she can, it's just that instinctively, I feel more and more that I couldn't be Dominant to a man but then again, I would never ever judge an entire community of Dommes based on my own standards.

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice :)xx

Edited 19 Jan 10, 11:44 PM by totallycoverme

19 Jan 10, 11:43 PM
Elysium
UK(EH), 5 yrs

I really loathe how any discussion of D/s invariably gets back to alpha and beta archetypes.

Individuals are so diverse, so specialised, so formed by unique experiences, formed by unique challenges so good at such a diverse range of things. Any attempt to compare someone to these useless biologically determinist archetypes is, quite frankly, fucking pointless.

Who "wears the trousers" in a nilla relationship is entirely dependent on the personalities, qualities and unspoken dynamic between the people in the relationship. Gender has precisely sweet fuck all to do with it. I would like to think we're past socially prescribed gender roles in our relationships. I mean, jesus christ, it's 2010.

If I'm meeting a sub and she's judging me on these archetypes, she can quite frankly, go fuck herself.

Far too much bullshit gender based baggage for this man to bother with.

19 Jan 10, 11:49 PM
totallycoverme
UK(M), 4 yrs
CookieMonster wrote:
totallycoverme wrote:
Women - The Naturally Dominant Gender? Part 2

I would say that men are the naturally dominant gender in terms of how nature made them physically bigger and thus the protectors/fighers/hunters.

OK take that on face value, but now few men hunt, fightings illeagal the the protector role is very much diminished if not totally so what are men now? A sharks not much use in the desert.

BTW

Ive done all three of those definitions so am I a naturally dominant sub?

crikey! that has genuinely got me noggin ticking over coz they're some really good points there.

Hmm, see yes, you're totally right about the shark in the desert thing but instinctively, I love that feeling of when walking around at night with a bloke (nowt dodgy) I feel more protected.

Also, with most guys being physically bigger than me, they would be able to defend themselves against my Dominance if they really wanted to so it would feel a bit strange to me whereas if I was submitting to a man, I wouldn't be able to fight him off.

I'm aware that I sound misled in how I percieve Mf Ds regarding the above paragraph. I believe in consent only, of course I do. But yeah, I think I might feel a bit strange to see a man kneeling before me because I look at men and I think "power" is probably one of the first words that springs to mind.

I'm not saying that women aren't powerful. I swear I'm not digging a hole here. I'm just covering myself by throwing a disclaimer in

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice :)xx

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