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| 19 Jan 10, 1:59 PM Ms_Tytania 7 yrs |
That's it in a nutshell, ad she could have spared us from a lot of unnecessary dribble. But then you don't get a book deal a one liner
"People are inherently evil, but very, very funny" - Joe Orton. | |||||
| 19 Jan 10, 2:07 PM chaochou UK(CH), 3 yrs    |
'Better' requires a value judgement. So you could define it as true if you wanted by altering your value judgements such that it was true. That's not to defend what's been written, just pointing out that there's no inherent 'truth' nor 'falseness' to that statement. It's truth, or lack of, is a choice. As for a 'every man has a burning desire to be controlled by a woman' - again, that reads like an article of faith to me. Not so much a statement of fact as of belief, which you can choose to accept or reject. Personally, I don't see the point of buying into either. - edited for typos - Edited 19 Jan 10, 2:09 PM by chaochou | |||||
| 19 Jan 10, 2:24 PM Captain_Jack UK(CR), 5 yrs |
Women are 'born' to procreate. Procreation is difficult, risky and it's a team effort. As the female gender is by biological necessity already saddled with certain responsibilities, it's only natural that the other gender ends up with the responsibilities which happen to lend themselves to be more useful in the acquisiton/application of power. But just because we evolved this way biologically, doesn't mean we can't redefine the gender roles or even artificially change them now that we have the technology. Nowadays, people can do almost whatever they like and yay for that. By all means, drivel like that should be voiced, but also not be taken seriously. My 2p. Your Captain Jack | |||||
| 19 Jan 10, 2:25 PM Susan_Williams UK(CH), 3 yrs |
The principle but has been a subject of psychological thinking for a long time. Freud described it as the Oedipus complex and it was a failure to resolve the Oedipus complex that led to male children growing up with pshyco/sexual problems. The female equivalent is the Electra complex but Fraud didn't have much to say about that believing it was not the same for females. There is some dispute among modern psychologists as to whether the Oedipus complex actually exists but I tend to come down on the side of Freud. He may have been onto something. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_complex Susan Williams Edited 19 Jan 10, 2:28 PM by Susan_Williams | |||||
| 19 Jan 10, 2:46 PM houseproudest UK(SE), 4 yrs |
if the worst that happens from this literature is that some women feel empowered (be it from 'bad' art or whatever) in ways that are still being protested and discriminated for all over the world then i personally do not have a problem with it..i might cringe at presentational devices..its no greer or Wollstonecroft..
and if it gets people talking about roles and gender then all well and good.. it seems curious to note this text in lieu of the extremely negative images of men at war..there isnt an issue here.. Pavement? Wowee Zowee! | |||||
| 19 Jan 10, 2:53 PM Ms_Tytania 7 yrs |
That, again, depends on your definition of what is *power* and *responsibilities*. To say that hunting mammoths and bumming your conquered enemies is a more accurate symbol of power than delivering offspring and raising it within a nurturing family/tribal/pack circle, until an age when they are not in imminent danger of death due to poor nutrition or childhood illnesses, is relative, and of course, gender-biased. "People are inherently evil, but very, very funny" - Joe Orton. Edited 19 Jan 10, 2:55 PM by Ms_Tytania | |||||
| 19 Jan 10, 2:56 PM houseproudest UK(SE), 4 yrs |
gender's problem is that it doesnt even know its been born Pavement? Wowee Zowee! | |||||
| 19 Jan 10, 2:57 PM Degenerate  UK(M), 5 yrs   |
Sign up to CAAN's statement www.caan.org.uk | |||||
| 19 Jan 10, 2:57 PM AstronautMikeDexter UK(E), 2 yrs |
--- Ha! | |||||
| 19 Jan 10, 3:04 PM IndelibleMarker UK(E), 6 yrs   |
Personally, I'd say you, Danbuc, are making the most sound, valid and useful contributions to the argument by quite some margin so far... Kisses to all you fabioso people! |
