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| 18 Jan 10, 7:36 AM yoda_dog UK(HP), 6 yrs   |
Seriously? Basic courtesy and respect are fundamental principles of interaction *anywhere*. If you need advising on that, do you really think you are the appropriate 'lifeform' to be running this group? "Bottom line: it's couples who are truly right for each other wade through the same crap as everybody else, but the big difference is they don't let it take them down. One of those two people will stand up and fight for that relationship every time." Edited 18 Jan 10, 7:38 AM by yoda_dog | |||
| 18 Jan 10, 8:05 AM Caracal UK(SS), 5 yrs      |
There are enough trolls, groomers and predators paradise groups being set up as it is without highlighting newbies as well. Also, if it was aimed at newbies, what reason would the more experienced have to go into that group rather than just post responses to the main boards? Any useful information should surely be on the main boards and in the dictionary, not lost in a group profile.
What is a Caracal? Edited 18 Jan 10, 8:12 AM by Caracal | |||
| 18 Jan 10, 8:15 AM Hypnotist UK(RG), 3 yrs |
I'm thinking of setting up a new group for novice posters, called "Bunch of Cunts". It's where people, inexperienced at using the forums, can make an initial post, and then get used to people pouncing all over them and ripping their ideas to shreds. It will give posting noobs a chance to get used to the IC way of doing things before trying their luck on the main boards. Any takers? | |||
| 18 Jan 10, 10:48 AM MasterOfMe UK(WD), 6 yrs |
It's a nice idea. The main problem being that new people (who are the ones who need it) are also the ones who are least likely to find it!
I'll subscribe for a while and if I see any interesting questions I'll try and reply. Although I'm only on IC infrequently so don't expect too much | |||
| 18 Jan 10, 10:56 AM the_fickle_one UK(NG), 5 yrs |
Is it just for newbies? I've been here for two years or more, and this has my name all over it.
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| 18 Jan 10, 11:22 AM El_Presidente UK(G), 4 yrs    |
Although it's a commendable idea creating a place for novices to go and ask questions, I can't really see the need for it, given that IC as a whole is already a place where novices and seasoned vetrans alike can ask questions. There's no such thing as a 'novice question' either, when you think about it; after all, we're all novices at something or other. Surely if a question is worth asking at all, then it's worth asking everyone, rather than just keeping it to a secluded group. If you ask a smaller group of people, then you're bound to get fewer answers, and will possibly also miss out on really valuable gems of information from people who happen to know a lot about what you're asking. As other people have said, sadly, I think the only people who are going to benefit from a 'novice board' are those who are looking to prey upon new and impressionable people.
Hell yeah - that sounds like fun! Can I be one of the cunts? Terms and conditions apply. No purchase necessary. If you fail to keep up with repayments, your arse may be at risk. Edited 18 Jan 10, 11:39 AM by El_Presidente | |||
| 18 Jan 10, 11:28 AM Hypnotist UK(RG), 3 yrs |
You'd be very welcome to join....provided you're the "right" kind of person, of course. We don't want the riff-raff. I'm thinking of dividing it into sections: "Rapists" - here, you can post an innocent little topic, and get a whole crowd of self-appointed experts hinting that you're a predator. "I'm not a whore" - on this one, you'll get lots of very, very, very experienced pro-dommes (not whores, of course) patiently explaining the complex ins-and-outs of why your activities in the bedroom are much, much crapper than theirs "Dislekseeya corner" - here, you can get a round of "tut-tut-tuts" about your spelling and/or grammar followed by 20 pages of heated bullshit about absolutely fucking nothing.
By the way, to the OP, welcome to IC
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| 18 Jan 10, 12:31 PM KinkyRoly UK(OX), 3 yrs |
The predators are all over IC and elsewhere. Unfortunately there is no way that you can stop them, but concentrating all the naive hot prospects into one group is inviting trouble in a big way.
If a newcomer has a bad experience, they are likely to be put off for good. That is a really good reason not to try a scheme with such an obvious downside. It's much better that newcomers ask questions on the main board, where replies will be seen by all and dodgy advice challenged. I'm all for supporting and encouraging newcomers. Ann and Roly's parties are well known for being friendly and supportive towards newcomers. We've done this for years and will continue to do so. Newcomers at our parties are genuinely helped and supported. Nobody grooms them for personal use those supporting them are in strong and loving relationships. They learn how to do things, experience things for themselves, but most important of all, they meet up with a network of friends who can be called upon to advise them when they are in doubt. It's real, practical help and it has worked many times. People start off with us and soon become confident. Some of the people who have already posted on this thread have seen it for themselves. Now I know that it's not possible nor desirable for all newcomers to come to us. People can make similar contacts at local munches and if the munch is a decent one, they will get support and encouragement. Relying solely on support and advice given on-line by unaccountable sel- appointed experts is not a good idea. I feel very strongly that newcomers should be supported in a non-exploitative way. We have seen far too many people calling themselves mentors or Doms and who try to take advantage of newcomers and offer to protect them, but in reality use them. Making it easier for such people is a really bad idea and I don't think that the benefits to the newcomers outweigh the risks in a plan like this.
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| 18 Jan 10, 1:04 PM Zarabeth UK(TW), 3 yrs      |
I think that would depend on how the group is run. If you are required to be on the online network before you can post, then yes a troll need only check the network to get a ready made list of people who are likely to be newcomers. Of course anyone who posts (whether on an online network or not) could be targeted, but this could be easily gotten around by allowing people to post annymously via a memo to group moderator, as they do on some other groups. This means more work for those running the group but less of a chance for preditors to ruin it. mari | |||
| 18 Jan 10, 1:05 PM Caracal UK(SS), 5 yrs |
I understand the desire of the OP for a one stop shop for newbies but there are already boards for SM/Bondage/Fetish, D/S and M/s, and Other BDSM which are automatically on the main page for every newcomer and guest plus there are existing groups for femdom issues, femsub issues, slavery, ownership and possession, poly relationships, trans matters, a problem page, crips corner, queer ic and minimum risk, all of which should surely cover any questions that newbies may have. This is in addition to the politics/religion/music/philosophy/fun/weightloss/s moking cessation/wine appreciation/for sale etc plethora of groups that have replaced the old single Off Topic board. Setting up yet another silo group will further dilute the pool of collective knowledge that is shared amongst us. There is also the very useful dictionary which gives definitions of the main terms in bdsm usage. Also, what is a newbie? Is it someone completely new to BDSM, someone who has used other sites but has just registered here, someone with 6 weeks actual experience gained from getting out and about and doing it for real or someone with 5 years of keyboard quavering, dithering and pontificating? In some subject areas I would be considered a newbie, in others I have some knowledge that I am happy to share but I would use the main boards in both cases. The group does look to have been set up with some thought and with good intent but for the reasons given above, I'm not sure that it would be as successful as hoped. What is a Caracal? |
