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Real life D/s questions (84)

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1 Jan 10, 12:42 PM
Degenerate*
UK(M), 5 yrs

Ariane wrote:
loyal_micheal wrote:

1st QUESTION:

How often does the dominant need to be on the end of chastisement, or to be dominated ? Does it pay to switch now and again ?

My first reaction is what a silly idea. There will be people with different views, but a switchy sub is not sub in my definition, and of no interest.

loyal_micheal wrote:

2nd QUESTION:

Is this common, subs on the furniture or the floor ?

That would be an individual preference of the Domme. I've never made a sub stay off the furniture, but I don't try to keep my cats off it either. It sounds more a doggy mentality.

Funny you should say that - I had been going to ask a question of my own.. any other dominants ever consider just getting a dog instead? ;-) :-D

De

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1 Jan 10, 2:25 PM
epona74
UK(SL), 7 yrs
Having read the whole thread (and I now have a headache), it is clear that sometimes the written word can be very confusing!

Dominants need support just like every other person. Support is not just giving platitudes, that's just giving platitudes! Supporting someone means using all your skills to SUPPORT them. The Oxford English Dictionary defines support (as a verb) as: 1 bear all or part of the weight of. 2 give assistance, encouragement, or approval to.

Note the "assistance", and "bear all or part of the weight".

And you certainly don't need to Dominate someone to do that! You just need to be yourself.

What we do, we do because on some level we enjoy it. So allow the relationship to become what it's going to become. Allow give and take in the support department, without trying to make it anything other than what it is...two (or more) people enjoying each other on every level!

And for the record, that goes for any aspect, including furniture, being higher than your Dominant, and so on. Whatever works in YOUR dynamic is right :)

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1 Jan 10, 2:56 PM
Susan_Williams
UK(CH), 3 yrs

loyal_micheal wrote:

Dominated being where an owner/mistress is screwing up her non domme life and needs the strengths of her submissive to guide her out the problem.

As other have stated, that isn't domination, that is support. Something that a one person will do for another that they have any regard for, regardless of the nature of the relationship.

loyal_micheal wrote:

Surely being a sub doesn't mean just taking any old rubbish, it means that we CONSTANTLY think about our owner's best interests, and that isn't always the obvious BDSM ones.

That is where the support comes in.

loyal_micheal wrote:

I always had to be on the floor. Sitting on the furniture was a privilege and reserved for more intimate time only.

It depends. I once served a Mistress for eighteen months. I never once sat on her living room furniture, I was usually too busy. My usual seat when I needed one was a stool in the kitchen and that seemed perfectly right and proper. The first time I sat on her settee was when delivering a birthday present, after the relationship had ended.

Susan Williams

1 Jan 10, 3:08 PM
othyim
NL, 3 yrs
loyal_micheal wrote:

How often does the dominant need to be on the end of chastisement, or to be dominated ? Does it pay to switch now and again ?

I read the whole thread but will only adress this. From my POV, when I, as his sub/slave WOULDNT be his loyal and (in the end) obediant partner, I would not have to react on him screwing up. I would just let him clean up his own mess and leave him to solve his own problems.

I choose to do otherwise, cause I feel I owe him that. I feel thats loyalty.

Also, he is just human, and in that aspect he is allowed to make human mistakes, as we all do. It doesnt make him less dominant. I would never ever think of chastidising him, or dominating him. I will, however, point certian things out to him, in a respectfull way, when I feel that the situation calls for that. And offer my support and help. Leaving him alone to solve his problems doesnt exactly sounds loyal and committed to me...

For me, adressing his possible mistakes, is NOT switching, but its taking my responsabilaty as a partner.

Especially for it still remains his prerogative to act on my findings/comments or not.

Edited 1 Jan 10, 3:15 PM by othyim

1 Jan 10, 3:46 PM
SheilaBlyge
UK(S), 4 yrs

Well, all I've learned from this thread is that there are a heck of a lot of people out there that I wouldn't be suited to. No news there.

In reverse order: question 2, I won't comment because I've never lived in that type of 'protocol' relationship, it just makes me feel a bit silly, and I can't take it at all seriously.

Question 1 is a very interesting question though. I had a great conversation with someone (a Dom) last year, when I was going through difficult time, who said 'sometimes even the Domme needs a Dom'. I disagreed vehemently at the time. However, I'm starting to wonder if he was right. But that is more a reflection of my definition of 'dominant', which I'm beginning to suspect isn't quite like most people here (which I accept makes me wrong and in a minority).

Apart from anything else, I don't hold with the whole notion of 'chastising', so I certainly wouldn't expect a submissive to rise up and 'chastise' me! They would be welcome to turn my 'tools' on me, as I love a good fight, and a bit of pain, but that is firmly in the category of 'fun and games' and is nothing whatsoever to do with dominance/submission.

But in the case of a serious situation, where it fell to a submissive to actually 'take the lead', make decisions, sort matters out, I could picture myself accepting that. Perhaps others just think of that as 'support', but for me, one person is 'dominating' and the other is 'submitting' to the will of the other, and I don't have any hang-ups about the role-reversal if the need arose.

1 Jan 10, 4:44 PM
SinPar
US, 12 yrs
loyal_micheal wrote:
1st QUESTION:

How often does the dominant need to be on the end of chastisement, or to be dominated ? Does it pay to switch now and again ?

Not that I've ever found. There is a big difference in being dominated and allowing a submissive to take the lead in something that they're better at for the greater benefit of you both. Sometimes I *need* assistance. That's part of the purpose of having a submissive. I don't think that recognition of that need makes me weaker or more vulnerable as a dominant. I expect feedback. If I'm driving off a cliff, metaphorically speaking, I'd expect to hear from someone who is closest to me that they were concerned about what they saw. The decisions still lie with me.

Chastisement? That would imply that the submissive had control and that doesn't happen in my relationships. They have only the control I give them for the time I let them have it.

I don't get the "having her tools turned against her" bit. Are you talking about emotional blackmail or something similar?

loyal_micheal wrote:
2nd QUESTION:

Is this common, subs on the furniture or the floor ?

I see it a lot. I think it's a good tool for headspace maintenance for many people. It's not something I do much of because I like my D/s to blend into my real life to the degree that I don't have to remember to do or not do some activity depending on where I am. Horses for courses, I suppose.

SinPar

-- The weak are the most treacherous of us all. They come to the strong and drain them. They are bottomless. They are insatiable. They are always parched and always bitter. They are everyone's concern, and like vampires they suck our life's blood. (Bette Davis)

Edited 1 Jan 10, 4:46 PM by SinPar

1 Jan 10, 7:56 PM
ScarlettDeWinter
UK(BS), 3 yrs
loyal_micheal wrote:
curvy_bottom wrote:
Sorry, bit of a tangent.

that it is neither necessary nor desirable from the sub's point of view is, surely, hardly the point?

I think it is the point.

The dynamic is that a sub should never normally sit higher than a domme (or dom).

I've read this out of context so I might well be wrong, but are you saying that if you're submissive you should never sit higher than a, or your, dom? If so: Why?

All of us are in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars. Oscar Wilde.

1 Jan 10, 8:15 PM
El_Presidente
UK(G), 4 yrs


SheilaBlyge wrote:
But in the case of a serious situation, where it fell to a submissive to actually 'take the lead', make decisions, sort matters out, I could picture myself accepting that. Perhaps others just think of that as 'support', but for me, one person is 'dominating' and the other is 'submitting' to the will of the other, and I don't have any hang-ups about the role-reversal if the need arose.

I definitely think of that as 'support' rather than 'dominating'. It's no different to a secretary organising her boss's schedule and dealing with (i.e. taking the lead on) other minutiae, thus leaving him free to do his own job.

On a superficial level, the secretary is telling the boss where to go and when to go there, but that doesn't mean that she's in charge *of him*, much less 'dominating' him. By delegating responsibility, the boss still retains the final say. It's only if he abdicates responsibility that he finally starts to lose control.

Joking I am. I'm not really a giant.

1 Jan 10, 8:36 PM
Diablos_patience
UK, 6 yrs
This probably has to be one of the hardest questions to try and understand that i have ever read.. you should try to keep things simple!!

loyal_micheal wrote:
Real life D/s questions

1st QUESTION:

How often does the dominant need to be on the end of chastisement, or to be dominated ? Does it pay to switch now and again ?

Errrrrrrrrr how about never?

NOTES TO QUESTION: Chastisement being having her tools turned against her (physical and *emotional* tools!).

Dominated being where an owner/mistress is screwing up her non domme life and needs the strengths of her submissive to guide her out the problem.

I love that, a 'dominant' individual who actually has no control over their own life... and yet expects to have control over others....

Surely being a sub doesn't mean just taking any old rubbish, it means that we CONSTANTLY think about our owner's best interests, and that isn't always the obvious BDSM ones.

A submissive should choose wisely and no s/he shouldnt take any old rubbish... nor should they be trying to influence the domiannts life because they see it to be in that persons best intrest... i find that to be rather controlling behaviour and i wouldnt expect to see it from a submissive.

The conclusion was that the submissive should be:

Not be *wholley* submissive. Dominants also need some domination sometimes. Or in common parlance, it pays to switch now and again.

My experience is that it *does* pays to switch now and again (but not too often)!

Nooooooooooo they shouldnt be a doormat..... if someone is submitting to me they should think carefully before attempting to 'switch' they might come to deeply regret it unless it was agreed beforehand..... it would serioulsy piss me off if they just thought they would try it on.. >:o

2nd QUESTION:

Is this common, subs on the furniture or the floor ?

NOTES TO QUESTION:

OK, I have actually lived the lifestyle, no bullshit or fantasy. One thing that has run through a BDSM relationship was that I was never allowed on the furniture. Vanilla friends were allowed, but I always had to be on the floor. Sitting on the furniture was a privelidge and reserved for more intimate time only.

I have a couple of people i play with and this one depends on the dynamic of that relationship.... my owned submissive does not sit on my furniture even when we are just relaxed and informal, he has rules about his conduct when he is in my house which he has to follow (in theory).

Other people that i 'play' with the dynamic is slightly different in that the D/s is less important and in that case the not sitting on my furniture is simply reserved for when we are in 'play' mode....

~* Raku wa ku no tané; ku wa raku no tané. *~

1 Jan 10, 8:47 PM
Commander_Kwaaab
UK(SW), 7 yrs

SheilaBlyge wrote:
Well, all I've learned from this thread is that there are a heck of a lot of people out there that I wouldn't be suited to. No news there.

In reverse order: question 2, I won't comment because I've never lived in that type of 'protocol' relationship, it just makes me feel a bit silly, and I can't take it at all seriously.

Question 1 is a very interesting question though. I had a great conversation with someone (a Dom) last year, when I was going through difficult time, who said 'sometimes even the Domme needs a Dom'. I disagreed vehemently at the time. However, I'm starting to wonder if he was right. But that is more a reflection of my definition of 'dominant', which I'm beginning to suspect isn't quite like most people here (which I accept makes me wrong and in a minority).

Apart from anything else, I don't hold with the whole notion of 'chastising', so I certainly wouldn't expect a submissive to rise up and 'chastise' me! They would be welcome to turn my 'tools' on me, as I love a good fight, and a bit of pain, but that is firmly in the category of 'fun and games' and is nothing whatsoever to do with dominance/submission.

But in the case of a serious situation, where it fell to a submissive to actually 'take the lead', make decisions, sort matters out, I could picture myself accepting that. Perhaps others just think of that as 'support', but for me, one person is 'dominating' and the other is 'submitting' to the will of the other, and I don't have any hang-ups about the role-reversal if the need arose.

Just cos you're in a minority, doesn't make you wrong

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