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| LittleMissEvil |
Tags: Manchester (M)
Now I am not normally one to get pedantic about many things, but every now and then something pops up and it just bugs me; maybe being ill exacerbates things and alike. Well anyhow I came across this group on facebook http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=feed&story_f... as one of my friends joined it. Now the group itself doesn't bother me, and I believe what is happening needs to be addressed on the international political level. However, the use of the word Genocide in its title is what bugs me. As Genocide can only be carried out against people with the same National, Racial, Ethnic or religious group. Thus so killing homosexuals is not genocide, it falls under the class of Crimes against Humanity; still a gravely serious issue but it's not Genocide. Now I may be nitpicking here but it bugs me that people miss use legal terms.
| 18 Dec 09, 8:34 AM summberblues UK(LS), 7 yrs  |
This type of thing buggs me,not because of the reasons stated above but becuase of the fact that people from other societies beliefs etc try to force their opinions on other societies. I wonder how many people that have joined that group actually even gave a thought of Uganda before that group and to me seems like bandwagon time to me. if the people on there care so much about it why dont they go to Uganda and protest about it. To me it seems there is lots to be done in our own society first before interfering with others. | ||
| 18 Dec 09, 9:20 AM SaintIntensity UK(M), 10 yrs |
I don't care particularly about the misuse of "Genocide" - its not a legal document and its a word that many can understand these days and conveys the correct level of priority - "persecution" sounds a bit limp and "pogrom" causes confusion as for the cause itself - while I don't think we should interfere in many aspects of other nations' affairs, policies that may lead to the execution of (by our judgement) innocents then we should get involved Uganda receives £millions of aid from the UK - we have to decide how important this issue is - if we stop aid, innocents in Uganda will suffer but it may also focus their leaders on their precarious situation (but will also let them make us the "bad guys" of course) we are either going to be Pussies or Bullies - choose your hat and join the revelant queue of course, if they started executing people for being white or christian, we'd bomb seven shades of shit out of the fuckers - but hey, "priorities" right? | ||
| 18 Dec 09, 10:25 AM ThedaVamp UK, 6 yrs |
"Genocide is a form of one-sided mass killing in which a state or other authority intends to destroy a group, as that group and membership in it are defined by the perpetrator." Frank Chalk, Kurt Jonassohn 1990 Perverted Pederast Puppetmistress Pimp Pandering to the Patriarchy... apparently | ||
| 18 Dec 09, 4:15 PM Jezzebelle UK, 10 yrs |
THe killing of homosexuals falls under the blanket term of hate crime, ie hating someone for being different, not genocide! http://www.flickr.com/photos/jezzebelle/ | ||
| 18 Dec 09, 5:36 PM ThedaVamp UK, 6 yrs |
Planning on executing ALL homosexuals under the law in Uganda isn't genocide? Perverted Pederast Puppetmistress Pimp Pandering to the Patriarchy... apparently | ||
| 18 Dec 09, 7:05 PM LittleMissEvil UK(BR), 4 yrs |
No its mass murder, which is a crime against humanity. When the Genocide convention was drawn up, the west wanted to add in sexuality to the list of protected groups, but the Vatican, arab nations and africa blocked it. It is still a very seriouse offence and probably on par with genocide. It's in the water baby, it's in the pills that pick you up It's in the water baby, it's in the special way we fuck It's in the water baby, it's in your family tree It's in the water baby, it's between you and me - B.Molko | ||
| 18 Dec 09, 7:33 PM ThedaVamp UK, 6 yrs |
That a United Nations investigation stopped short of describing the violence in Darfur as genocide, because if they had used the term genocide, they would carry a legal obligation to act is one of the reasons why I find such nit-picking utterly distasteful. An average of 300,000 deaths. But it's not genocide. Perverted Pederast Puppetmistress Pimp Pandering to the Patriarchy... apparently | ||
| 18 Dec 09, 8:41 PM LittleMissEvil UK(BR), 4 yrs |
The situation in Darfur has been handled in a way that was not previously possible, the UN has referred the matter to the ICC and the ICC has indicted its first ever serving head of state. There is therefore the likelihood that should any persons be executed under these proposed laws, then I imagine the ICC will be indicting more people to face trial. The 'nitpicking' over the use of the word genocide is perfectly acceptable. If someone started calling things you understand well by the wrong name then I believe you would be equally annoyed. It would be like a doctor calling all tumours cancer; Genocide is a very specific crime, with a very narrow Actus Reus. Where as the crime that would cover this, Crimes against Humanity, has a very broad and all encompassing Actus Reus. It's like the term Assault, through misuse of the word people know think it is the actual hitting of someone, when in fact it's only the threatening act that leads up to the physical contact which is Battery. It's in the water baby, it's in the pills that pick you up It's in the water baby, it's in the special way we fuck It's in the water baby, it's in your family tree It's in the water baby, it's between you and me - B.Molko | ||
| 18 Dec 09, 11:25 PM Thought_Policeman UK(SO), 2 yrs |
I'd be interested to see some examples of that.
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