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From mild masochist to pain slut (41)

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17 Dec 09, 1:18 PM
Rhoobarb
UK(FK), 12 yrs
I don't think I like pain. And yet I've had a friend point out people I might like to play with and then tell me "Oh they might not be hard enough for you, though". I don't think I play particularly hard.

I've had people stop whacking me because they're knackered but they haven't ever really hurt me beyond what I can take (no complaint!) and I've had people who have hit me much less and it really really hurts long before they're ready to give up.

I like 'intense sensation' and I want/need it to stop when it hurts. Or when it hurts more than I can cope with. Some people can easily play within my limits while stretching theirs, and others are holding themselves back from hurting me too much.

There are different levels of sadism too. We each find our own level.

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How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world... Anne Frank

17 Dec 09, 2:16 PM
spankAlicious
UK(N), 4 yrs
penwiggle wrote:

But I don't connect punishment (as in CP) as pleasurable pain. If I'm being punished with a cane, I can't take nearly as much as I can if it's for pleasure.

OK, perhaps that is partly because there is usually more warm up with pleasure/pain than punishment. But also my head is in a different place.

I always personally find myself wanting to push myself further if i have never experienced something or its my first time i always find myself taking more than expected for many reasons The pleasure is one and the unknown fear of if its too much or too hard.

I do think their are physiological connections to how i behave and react to situations, if i know i would be more pleasing its more a case of how far i am going to submit rather than the need of seeking pain on a selfless level. With the understanding of how far things will be taken i would usually just beg and see where it gets me.

physiologically if i have pre-empted emotions, fears or feeling i go though cycles of needed to push myself to finding myself begging and pleading, when i don't even know what's coming. Sometimes i find the fear of the unknown to be more comfortable and enjoyable.

I dont think i am a pain slut, i think i am a pleasure slut if its going to please and impress then i will push myself further. I like to impress :)

Edited due to spelling

He who laughs at himself never runs out of things to laugh at! :D

Edited 17 Dec 09, 2:26 PM by spankAlicious

17 Dec 09, 3:20 PM
Elven_Eyes
UK, 5 yrs
I'm married to a masochist and it really is exhausting!

His pain tolerance, if that's what it is, is very high. I assume it's because he's a big strong man with lots of callouses and thick skin, as we don't play a lot. When I want to hurt him, I have to try really hard! To get through to his subspace level of pain takes me ages, and knackers my arm for a few days.

I would wish, I suppose, for him to have a lower threshold so it'd be easier to take him to that level.

I have also submitted to some CP from him as part of my submission. The first time he slapped me, it hurt like hell. The first spanking (I think 3 blows?) made me cry. Nowadays I can just about enjoy the warm up part, which is nice and tingly. The actual punishment still hurts though.

I would think that most satisfying as a partner would be someone whose tolerance varies dramatically, so nothing ever got too boring.

"The chaperon is there to make sure no one else has any fun, but nobody chaperons the chaperon. That's why I'm so right for this job." -Jane Russell as Dorothy Shaw, "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes"

17 Dec 09, 3:30 PM
exrugbyplayer
UK(CF), 2 yrs

A guy who tortured me told me he liked the responses to be genuine as that's what he got off on. So it didn't matter to him how much 'wellie' he had to give as long as he got his sub to yelping and begging point eventually. A woman I knew however went at it so hard that it became about not fainting almost from the outset.
17 Dec 09, 5:49 PM
little_imp
UK(BN), 3 yrs

lj_sub wrote:
Elegantly_Wasted wrote:
Give me a pain slut any day of the week, I love people who push me as a sadist, as long as they are not totally passive (I like interaction, screams/tears etc). I find my sadism is a bit like having the horn. It builds and builds and when I find an interesting enough outlet (rarely!) I like to let it out in full glorious force!

If someone cannot take much pain and I have to hold back so as not to hurt them too much, I can get very frustrated, it's a bit like having sex but not coming. If I can play with a pain slut I can let it all out and really satiate that desire in me, it's heaven. Oh the beautiful calmness afterwards as I stroke away tears is something I adore.

So I think it's great for subs to be painsluts, but I'm hugely biased!!!

ok guys, form a queue behind me...

Scuse me, coming through, get in line behind me please ;-)

"WHORE!!"

17 Dec 09, 6:20 PM
DontKnowHun
US, 2 yrs

Hello all, this is my first post! I have always been submissive and finally found a Dom to work with me. What I'm wondering is how to communicate your preference for pain... For me, it isn't the pain so much as the rush when the pain stops. I can very well be a sub slut while saying... more more, OK stop, ... now more. Sometimes I'm not sure that my Dom can tell the difference between a pain whimper and a "make it stop" whimper. Any thoughts?
19 Dec 09, 9:31 PM
penwiggle
UK(CB), 5 yrs

DontKnowHun wrote:
Hello all, this is my first post! I have always been submissive and finally found a Dom to work with me. What I'm wondering is how to communicate your preference for pain... For me, it isn't the pain so much as the rush when the pain stops. I can very well be a sub slut while saying... more more, OK stop, ... now more. Sometimes I'm not sure that my Dom can tell the difference between a pain whimper and a "make it stop" whimper. Any thoughts?

Hi, lots of thoughts. And welcome to this wonderfully kinky world of ours.

I communicate several ways to the Top torturing me. Squirming, whimpering and other noises, but also I talk to them. Especially in the early days of play.

First, squirming. When play first starts, it often really hurts. And even after the warm up, some strokes really hurt! These will produce a physical reaction of squirming, or clenching of muscles, etc. But when the pain starts to get good, I often break through a pain barrier, and then I'll stop moving all together. Even really hard strokes don't get a reaction. At this point I'm able to step out of my body (as such) and just watch the pain ripple across my skin. I can then decide to just let it stay at the impact point, and it never reaches my mind.

So I always tell my torturers that if I stop reacting, then that's a sign it is getting good.

I used to have a numbering system of 1 to 10, where 1 was mild and 10 was STOP! It's good when playing with someone new that they stop often enough to ask you what level the pain is at. That's when I'd call out my number. The problem is, once I broke through my pain barrier, an 8 would suddenly become a 2. So I've recently switched to words instead of numbers.

What I do now is try to describe in a word (or two) what the pain level is like. So I might respond with things like.. "nice", "ouch", "that stings" "challenging" "difficult" "Very difficult" "TO MUCH". These give indicators of how well I'm able to cope with the pain at a given intensity.

It all always comes down to communication. You've got learn how your body reacts to pain, and be able to communicate that to the one you're with. It doesn't matter how, as long as you both understand it. The more you play with the same person, the less verbal communication is required, and the more intuitive play becomes.

Be aware of one thing. You may reach a point where, when asked if you want to continue or stop, that you will be unable to formulate an answer either way. You will, at the same time, want it to stop and to continue.

Sometimes when I play, the cane will strike me and my mind will cry out "STOP STOP, MOTHER OF MERCY NO MORE!" and no sooner are the words in my mind an my brain is begging for another stroke of the cane, and for it to never stop. There is often this internal battle of loving it, and hating it, with equal intensity at the same time.

That is when trust becomes vital, and when your Top needs to understand you the most, for at that moment they will be making the decision to continue or stop.

Just my thoughts.

Pen

You say Ouch like it's a bad word.
"That's screaming. A good many dramatic situations begin with screaming." Barbarella

19 Dec 09, 11:11 PM
El_Presidente
UK(G), 4 yrs


LiamRugbyPlayer wrote:
A guy who tortured me told me he liked the responses to be genuine as that's what he got off on. So it didn't matter to him how much 'wellie' he had to give as long as he got his sub to yelping and begging point eventually.

That's pretty much where I stand too, in that it's all about the reactions for me. In that respect, it's 'easier' to play with someone who has a relatively low pain threshold.

Having said that, one thing that a high pain threshold does offer is the opportunity to practice new skills in relative safety. For example, there are very few people other than Pen who I would have been happy to practice my singletail technique on when I was brand new to it!

As others have said though, there's no pain threshold out there that a little bit of imagination and a flexible approach can't overcome. There's more to sadism than just whacking 'em harder!

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

19 Dec 09, 11:20 PM
penwiggle
UK(CB), 5 yrs

El_Presidente wrote:
LiamRugbyPlayer wrote:
A guy who tortured me told me he liked the responses to be genuine as that's what he got off on. So it didn't matter to him how much 'wellie' he had to give as long as he got his sub to yelping and begging point eventually.

That's pretty much where I stand too, in that it's all about the reactions for me. In that respect, it's 'easier' to play with someone who has a relatively low pain threshold.

Having said that, one thing that a high pain threshold does offer is the opportunity to practice new skills in relative safety. For example, there are very few people other than Pen who I would have been happy to practice my singletail technique on when I was brand new to it!

As others have said though, there's no pain threshold out there that a little bit of imagination and a flexible approach can't overcome. There's more to sadism than just whacking 'em harder!

There are very few (well none actually) people out there I'd let practice their single tail on me other than El_P.

You say Ouch like it's a bad word.
"That's screaming. A good many dramatic situations begin with screaming." Barbarella

20 Dec 09, 8:50 AM
BooteDom
UK(NR), 6 yrs

Praxilla wrote:
Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting that my experiences mirror anyone elses.

As a fairly heavy masochist, I've found that the pursuit of pain has caused me more problems than it has brought rewards. My experience has often been that the dominant men I've connected with were primarily interested in the masochistic side of me, and much less interested in all of the rest. And they've seen that masochism as permission to do their worst, without living up to the rest of the bargain. Thus, even though I've gone into these things consensually, I have, at times, come away from them feeling exploited. And, yes, I do recognize that this is the risk I take and that I'm responsible for my own experiences, so I do not say the above with a sense of blaming anyone other than myself.

On the other side of my kink coin, when I've looked for someone I connect better with on a D/s level, or a vanilla one, I often find my inner masochist left wanting.

After years of searching, I think I have found someone who matches me perfectly, in every area except the sadomaschism one. He's what I'd call a moderate sadist, so definitely enough to keep me interested, but I do tend to try to push for more. He's good at handling that and he's open minded. My hope is that, as time goes on, my response to pain may encourage his sadism to flourish a bit more. The trick is going to be in not calling it out so far as to damage his extraordinary soul. But, again, he's got a far firmer handle on managing limits and balancing sanity than I do. In short, I've found someone who isn't about to let me go too far and isn't going to exploit my balls to the wall masochism. I may still want more at times, but it's not an empty, aching longing as it has been in the past, just more of a peckish whimsy.

Thts raises some interesting points.I recognise the first paragraph,but from a Dom's perspective.I am a little wary when I am told that a potential play partner is a painslut.

To be perfectly clear about my thinking on this I don't necessarily want or need to leave someone battered and bleeding.I think that at this level it can easily turn to abuse and to look into someone's eyes after a session and know that they are thinking that they have been used and that neither of you feel good about it is far from an edifying experience.

I recently met someone who declared themselves to be up for severe punishment.She has certainly taken it from others in her time.I began by giving a session that explored her reaction to lower levels of pain than she had been used to.Not only did this work,but it worked spectacularly well with her reaching previously unplumbed depths of subspace,and I only used moderate force,no marks that would last more than 48hours at most.

So,I would say explore less drastic areas first before you invite someone to beat you to a bloody pulp,you might find that it works for you.

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