Submissive Silverback (12)

What are your thoughts on the relationship of Domme females and sub males ? Does this fly in the face of 'what is natural' ? After all, the majority of people follow the perceived notion of what is 'natural'. That is Nature has wired the males to be dominant and chase and overpower the females, and wired the females to be chased and overpowered by the males. Looking at our closest natural relatives to compare, the apes and chimps, we see that this is very much the case. The powerfully built and aggressive Silverback gorillas are very much in control of their groups - males very much rule, after all, its in the nature of the beast.

So, let us say that it is pretty much the case with humans - almost. A few people seem to fly in the face of that, and the tables have been turned. We now have Dominant females and the males being the submissive partner. Interestingly, its still the males doing the chasing, dominant or submissive. Is this then un-natural and what is this relationship all about ? It would seem not just to be about role reversal, because it is not as simple as that. Lets face it, the dominant female does not desire to overpower her submissive male for the purpose of sexual union, its more a control and mind thing - ''you can't have me ! I'm the boss''

Anyway, its all very complex and interesting. Would like to have thoughts from the all you clever people.

NightFox

Edited Sat 12 Dec 09, 2:41 PM by NightFox

with these complexities comes a wider variety of potential outcomes.

Gender roles in human civilization must be more blurred then the animal kingdom

Have a read of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Sexual_socia...

Female domination, pacifism and plenty of sex.

What appears to be coming at you is really coming from you.

But if you want to go down the animal kingdom route, females in dominant roles are common in insects. Think bees, ants, black widow spiders, preying mantris etc.

Although I wouldn't recomend biting their heads off during sex as it's a bit messy lol

edited to add: female dominant mammals (of which we are a sub speices) include meerkats and ring tails lemurs.

Tazallie
Getting there!

Edited 12 Dec 09, 3:27 PM by tazallie

In order to release these Gibbons back into the wild they first had to be matched with a mate. An unattached gibbon released into the wild would likely be killed by attached couples.

This was not a simple as it first seemed as because in Gibbon society either the male or the female can be the dominant party. The problem was matching a dominant of one sex with a submissive of the other. So if you got a Dominant female in with a Dominant male then it was never going to work. They did have a Dominant female that wasn't going to submit to any male Gibbon so they had to find a submissive male otherwise she could never be released. They found one and they mated and were eventually released.

So even in the animal kingdom, gender roles are not always fixed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid...

Susan Williams

Edited 12 Dec 09, 3:35 PM by Susan_Williams

In this theory, if males are raised to be dominant, they probably will be - if males are raised to be egalitarian, they probably will be - if there are submissive men / dominant females around, it is almost certainly because they were raised in a society which thinks this is acceptable.

trouble xxx

NF

Physical strength is largely unrelated to the capacity to find food. Physical capacity only really benefits single hunters who are attempting to overpower animals of a similar size / speed to themselves (lions hunting gazelles). When hunting smaller animals (fish) or larger animals (cows) it is more about skill or teamwork.

It is also worth mentioning that hunter-gatherer tribes vary hugely - in some tribes women are responsible for providing most of the food, in some men are responsible for this. Even where there is a clear split between male hunters and female gatherers (very rare), a large proportion of calories is provided by gathering. Thus there is no correlation between food provision and domination.

Finally, if, as you correctly identify, female domination is a cultural (rather than genetic) effect - this cultural effect would be likely to continue even after humans 'reverted' to a nomadic hunter-gatherer existence - ie, some tribes would teach female dominance to their young, some would teach male dominance and some would teach egalitarianism.

trouble xxx

It's very satisfactory if that's how you are wired and it appeals to you.

It is natural for me but not for others,so I can agree that the majority of people follow their perceived notion of what is 'natural' which you obviously do too from your profile.

Not in my world...

I think you are mistaken, I very much desire to hunt and overpower, being the aggressor physically. My size helps to an extent, as well as my strength. I don't think any of my partners had to do much chasing either, if I like someone I make it quite clear.

Perhaps not all dominant women work that way but I am not the type to sit and wait for the object of my affections to make a move.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act” - George Orwell

I've not seen a Silverback with a whip though

'Kiss the boot of shiny, shiny leather' - Velvet Underground