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Tiger sex case - new extension of extreme porn law (27)

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Tue 8 Dec 09, 12:15 PM
extremophile
UK, 3 yrs
Nothing to do with Mr Woods. Anorak News reports:

http://www.anorak.co.uk/233035/strange-but-true/...

At Wrexham Magistrates Court, Andrew Robert Holland, 47, is accused of possessing a pornographic image of a person having sex with a Tiger, sorry, tiger.

The image is said to be “grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character”.

That is not all. Mr Holland is also accused of possessing an extreme pornographic image that could result in serious injury to a person's genitals. And at once we are back to Tiger Woods' crazy gold course: Hole 7 – Burning Bright.

No ruling yet, and the case will be heard Mold Crown Court on New Year's Eve. Mr Holland's solicitor Euros Jones says his client will plead not guilty.

What struck me was the reference to a non-bestial image. So far, I think, the new law has been used almost exclusively to deal with animal-sex images. This may be the first featuring a consensual human picture - if so, a worrying development.

8 Dec 09, 12:53 PM
NightSprite
UK(EN), 4 yrs

Rather begs the question about how one goes about shagging a tiger.

I'm guessing rather carefully is the answer!

8 Dec 09, 12:57 PM
Degenerate*
UK(M), 5 yrs

be interesting to see what happens with the human photo/s - esp with the not guilty plea

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8 Dec 09, 1:02 PM
titchfield
UK(CF), 6 yrs

extremophile wrote:
Mr Holland is also accused of possessing an extreme pornographic image that could result in serious injury to a person's genitals.

Such as having sex with a tiger?

8 Dec 09, 3:50 PM
MrDelphian
3 yrs
Yet another fucking idiot that doesn't deserve a moments attention.

Activism a bit slow this week ?

ETA The tiger porn guy rather than the op.

Edited 8 Dec 09, 3:52 PM by MrDelphian

8 Dec 09, 10:12 PM
emark
UK, 9 yrs
I believe there have been some references to the "non-animal" parts, but AFAIK only people who have been also charged with child porn offences. So this may be the first one that's slipped to "non-animal with animal charges".

On another note, is this the first case for someone to plead Not Guilty?

One thing that's still not clear to me is if a ruling on one case can act as any kind of precedent, or argument, for future cases - I've heard different people claim different things.

(Heh, I can't help thinking that sex with a tiger would itself risk serious injury to one's genitals, in which case I can't help wondering if both charges refer to the same image...)

ETA: It's also interesting to note that when it comes to child porn charges, surely no publication would dare make the same kind of light hearted joke. Whilst I may not leap to the defence of animal porn, it's also absurd to compare it to child porn, and I'd argue that many people do not see them as comparable, simply by noting how animal porn is something to joke about (sheep shagging, etc).

Even the Telegraph have put it in the "How About That" category, which they describe as "From the unusual to the funny and the downright bizarre, we bring you a sample of weird news from around the world, along with cartoons, blogs and games... because news doesn't have to be serious. " The law is indeed a joke, but it's a shame it actually is serious.

MrDelphian wrote:
Yet another fucking idiot that doesn't deserve a moments attention.

Activism a bit slow this week ?

The attention is on the law, not the person in particular. But feel free to post something more newsworthy for this forum... :)

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Edited 8 Dec 09, 10:19 PM by emark

8 Dec 09, 10:20 PM
dzsubguy
6 yrs
I suppose it would be a case of who was biting the pillow.....the guy or the tiger, as it danger to genitals. I can only hope they stress the use of condoms.....the world wild life people would go mad at the thought of a tiger being given crabs, or worse still a dose......and what if the monkeys started up.....tiger aids?....kills you and tears your face off....

back to sleep to dream of calvin and hobbs....

8 Dec 09, 10:28 PM
soulful1
UK(RG), 5 yrs
NightSprite wrote:
Rather begs the question about how one goes about shagging a tiger.

I'm guessing rather carefully is the answer!

That gives a whole new meaning to being fond of pussy.

Mind you if it's true the guy has definately earned his stripes.

"Rather carefully?", probably after a very long paws more like!!

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9 Dec 09, 1:45 AM
mq1965
UK(DA), 8 yrs
emark wrote:
One thing that's still not clear to me is if a ruling on one case can act as any kind of precedent, or argument, for future cases - I've heard different people claim different things.

Legally a precedent can only be set by a higher court - appeal court, divisional court, Supreme Court etc. - giving a legal ruling on a matter of law, usually on an appeal.

However in reality, especially in the case of laws where there is a degree of subjectivity such as deciding whether something is obscene or not, an ordinary case, especially a high profile one before a jury, can set a precedent. The Lady Chatterly case is an obvious and probably apposite example. It was a decision by a jury in a single case, and should have had no precedent value whatsoever for other prosecutions, but the reality is that by itself it virtually put a stop to prosecutions of written material for obscenity.

A case is only going to have that effect, though, if it gets a high degree of publicity to the extent that it comes to be seen in the eyes of the public and the legal establishment as a test case.

9 Dec 09, 1:56 AM
Ludovic
UK, 5 yrs
hmm are we sure the second picture refers to Human/Human because I'd guess Tiger/Human could result in serious injury to a person's genitals depending if the tiger feels hungry!

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