leadership (57)

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18 Nov 09, 9:26 PM
psycheee
UK(W), 3 yrs

Sirebel wrote:
I vote this the best thread idea of the year.
gosh!
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18 Nov 09, 9:27 PM
Sirebel
UK(RG), 3 yrs

antinomy wrote:
"In whatever direction a ship moves the flow of water it cuts will always be noticeable ahead of it. . . When the ship moves in one direction there is one and the same wave ahead of it, when it turns frequently the wave ahead of it also turns frequently. But wherever it may turn there always will be the wave anticipating its movement. Whatever happens, it appears that just that event was foreseen and decreed. Wherever the ship may go, the rush of water which neither directs nor increases its movement foams ahead of it, and at a distance seems not merely to move of itself but to govern the ship's movement also" -Tolstoy
How many times in your life to you get to say something like this and be confident you are right

Tolstoy was wrong
The bow wave does not predict the movement of the ship, it reacts to it. The fact that it is in front of the ship does not mean it moves before it. However, it was a pretty thought and I may be a scientist but poetic ideas win everytime.
I don't know what's right and what's real any more

18 Nov 09, 9:37 PM
HarmCandy
UK, 22 mths

I agree with much that has been said here. The best leaders don't concern themselves with their own interests, but those of the people they lead.
Lao Tzu: 'If you want to lead the people you must first learn to follow them.'
Contrasted with modern politics [or maybe just politics]... pfft.
H
'It is the centaur! Chiron, halt! And let me speak with you. You taught and formed, with wisdom, strength and grace, the greatest heroes of a hero-race. In their noblest footsteps you have trod, and lived the hard life of a demigod.'

18 Nov 09, 9:40 PM
Belasarius
UK(M), 6 yrs
Y!

antinomy wrote:

Belasarius wrote:
Leadership is the ability to inspire all others to achieve your aims. To give a group purpose and direction, often in unfavourable circumstances where the leader's ability to inspire others may require self sacrifice.
so if a group of people were stranded in the desert and there was only one sparsely distributed sort of edible vegetation, and person x inspired a,b,c,d et al to spend their time gathering the food for x to eat, while e,f,g,h,i,j and k quietly starved, that would be good leadership?
Did you read the post you quoted? Especially the "Where the leader's ability ... may require self sacrifice".
Yours is a very good example of dominance.
May I point you in the direction of Sir Ernest Shackleton. And perhaps Captain Bligh - after he was cast off the Bounty.
Best to you.
Patience is bitter - but its fruit is sweet.
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18 Nov 09, 9:43 PM
Belasarius
UK(M), 6 yrs
Y!

Tanos wrote:

antinomy wrote:
"But wherever it may turn there always will be the wave anticipating its movement." -Tolstoy
I don't understand this Each move of the ship always precedes, in time, the wave it produces. There is always a period when the ship has started moving but the wave hasn't had time to build up.
Regards,
Tanos

Yes, the wave is created by the ship, the wave cannot anticipate the movement of the ship. People think to anticipate is "to look forward to". It isn't - it is to do something in advance of... "In Mary's pregnancy, Mary and Peter anticipated marriage".
Patience is bitter - but its fruit is sweet.
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18 Nov 09, 9:45 PM
Belasarius
UK(M), 6 yrs
Y!

Jahc99 wrote:

Tanos wrote:

antinomy wrote:
"But wherever it may turn there always will be the wave anticipating its movement." -Tolstoy
I don't understand this Each move of the ship always precedes, in time, the wave it produces. There is always a period when the ship has started moving but the wave hasn't had time to build up.
Regards,
Tanos

A ship moves in response to the momentum of the wave that stikes it. The wave has the energy in it, the ship is the object that gets moved.
Jahc - you are a great man, but here you are wrong - if it were true no-one would ever have sailed anywhere. And bow waves do not form on ships that are without power. The moving ship pushes the water out of the way.
Patience is bitter - but its fruit is sweet.
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18 Nov 09, 9:46 PM
ChairmanOfTheBored
UK(NN), 18 mths
what a fascinating and deep thread this is
I was genuinely thrust into DEEP though by this and all the fantasic input from all the lovely little posters who put their two cents forward
never has my intellect been pushed to reflect on such important and insightful information
I am enlightened and moved
thank you all
*group hug*
I think we must first go back to the root meanings of terms involved here and their relative importance within the format prescribed and questioned by our noble and inquisitive friend
firstly 'dominance' as Im sure you are all aware comes from the latin DUMBO-NONCESQUE, a term derived in the 15th century by sad, desperate men who lived in their mothers spare room in Wimbledon, could not relate to the opposite sex and opted to wear the masque of 'DUMBO-NONCESQUE' to entrap gulible females
the traditional festival of 'DUMBO-NONCESQUE' was artistic performance carried out as a kind of sad social metaphor,it involved a one legged fat middle aged man wearing the 'DUMBO-NONCESQUE' mask (traditionaly made by Moldovian prostitutes) being rolled down cobbled village streets with one testicle cellotaped to his abdomen dressed occasionaly in ludicrous latex or leather clothing, he would make passing grabs at the local maidens and shout lists of demands to which he would be kicked, spat on and ignored, thus reinforcing his obvious dominance and making him beg out for more like a puppy dog, as you may be aware this sounds very similar to the MASOCHISTO festival held in Southern Spain, the difference being no olives are inserted in the anus of the celebrant
OMG Im so sorry to have to abandon the rest of this amazing discussion but something extremely urgents come up and I have to go and monitor paint drying
that reminds me for some reason...
did anyone ever see that film about talking bumholes from dimesnsion 5 that lived in our reality via the internet, fasciating I can tell you, fascinating but scary, it made me shiver to even imagine how these primitive forces could influence others and the process of devolution unfold
had to love that finger up the bum salute they did tho! amazing!
Ai fata de o maimuta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki3TpFZY7cU

18 Nov 09, 9:47 PM
Belasarius
UK(M), 6 yrs
Y!

HarmCandy wrote:
I agree with much that has been said here. The best leaders don't concern themselves with their own interests, but those of the people they lead.
Lao Tzu: 'If you want to lead the people you must first learn to follow them.'
Contrasted with modern politics [or maybe just politics]... pfft.
H
Hear - hear: nail banged on head!
Patience is bitter - but its fruit is sweet.
Follow me on twitter: @belasarius99

18 Nov 09, 9:55 PM
Shibari_Cognoscenti
UK(TN), 5 yrs

ChairmanOfTheYawn wrote:
what a fascinating and deep thread this is
Then his usual load of shit.

Have a nice day .

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Edited 18 Nov 09, 10:00 PM by Shibari_Cognoscenti

18 Nov 09, 10:00 PM
Jahc99
UK, 3 yrs

Belasarius wrote:

Jahc99 wrote:

Tanos wrote:

antinomy wrote:
"But wherever it may turn there always will be the wave anticipating its movement." -Tolstoy
I don't understand this Each move of the ship always precedes, in time, the wave it produces. There is always a period when the ship has started moving but the wave hasn't had time to build up.
Regards,
Tanos

A ship moves in response to the momentum of the wave that stikes it. The wave has the energy in it, the ship is the object that gets moved.
Jahc - you are a great man, but here you are wrong - if it were true no-one would ever have sailed anywhere. And bow waves do not form on ships that are without power. The moving ship pushes the water out of the way.
I am also a qualified sailing instructor.... just missed the edits about it being a bow wave.
Now, let's not get distracted by the equations for when a boat gets to plane over it's own bow wave, or anything like that, shall we?
We might have to admit that the leader, and the led, fly faster when they understand each other as well.... you can't race boats without a damned good crew.
ETA: I have a life long facination with hydrofoils too!
The antidote to whinge threads??

Edited 18 Nov 09, 10:19 PM by Jahc99

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